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Get your tickets for the Plant Cunning Conference here: Plant Cunning Conference – In-Person in New York – July 24-26, 2026Today, Isaac and AC welcome Gary P. Caton, the "Hermetic Astrologer" to discuss embodied astrology—going outside to directly observe and relate with the planets. Caton recounts his father teaching him to plant by the Moon, a 1993 dream tied to a Sun–Venus conjunction, and his experience with Project Hindsight translations that renewed interest in sky-based practice. He describes conversations and synchronicities with Venus and plants, argues astrologers have an ethical imperative to know the sky firsthand, and explains practical entry points like tracking Venus’s seven Moon conjunctions and working with new/full moons for intentions. The conversation also explores ethics, seasonality, civilization cycles, and “seed people.”

03:15 Meet Gary Caton

03:36 Origins in Astrology

05:32 Venus Dream Awakening

08:57 Planets and Plants Talk

11:45 Why "Embodied Astrology"?

13:59 Civilization and Planets

18:12 Hermes Myth and Charts

23:22 Start Embodied Astrology

26:25 Venus Cycle Dates

29:17 Moon Cycles and Seeds

31:01 Dark Moon and Ethics

34:16 Waning Moon Decrease

36:08 Disseminating Phase Seeds

37:15 Rudhyar Autumn Metaphor

39:07 Science and Hermeticism

40:38 Becoming Seed People

44:58 The Elements, Love and Strife

47:22 Ape Hierarchies Embodiment

51:38 Sunrise Ritual Nature Healing

55:37 Quiet Desert Homecoming

57:31 Where to Find Gary

59:47 Biodynamic Planting Calendar

01:02:33 Wrap Up and Thanks