Heidi and Ellen talk to Keriann and Michelle. Keriann started working for herself during the pandemic.  While she loves the freedom and creativity of self-employment, she worries about money and her financial future. She wonders how long it will take for this new venture to truly blossom. Michelle finds herself in a constant cyclical work state. The moment she starts to master what she is doing, she has a deep desire to shift gears into something else. She wants advice on how to soften into the present moment. Ellen and Heidi also talk about two shows on HBO Max: ’Schmigadoon’ and the new documentary ‘Obama: In Pursuit of a New Perfect Union’. They also talk about old episodes from the wonderful podcast ‘Dear Sugar’ with Cheryl Strayed and Steve Almond.