Olivia & Melissa are back together in the same room (Natasha Jacobs' Buschwick studio) talking about people who are punishers, the burden of knowledge! They are then joined by multi-disciplinary artist Tamara Santibañez who talks to them about her extensive knowledge on Law & Order SVU. Some topics include: loving cops shows while being an anarchist, anti-kink, Rikers Island, the representation of survivors, comforting formulaic TV, inconsistencies in character, "the twist is incest," & more! They also answer a would-you-rather question at the end that is a great premise for a short story.