Is this the answer to burnout? How are mini-retirements even possible?

Kira Schabram, PhD, is the Assistant Professor in management & organization at Pennsylvania State University & historian of work who has been studying the details & impacts of a phenomenon called micro-retirement – people treating breaks from work of three or more months.

In this episode, you’ll hear how others are doing this idea, why it’s worth talking about & how it could be the solution to widespread burnout among American workers. We compare American attitudes on work compared to our European counterparts, what makes a micro-retirement “successful” & why what we call it matters.

If you like this episode, you’ll also like episode 190: DOES A CAREER CHANGE MEAN YOU’RE A FAILURE?

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00:00 — Why “micro-retirement” even matters

00:27 — The work-first culture problem

01:41 — “Cute but inaccessible?”

02:10 — Who actually takes micro-retirements

02:46 — The two paths into a micro-retirement

04:33 — Life milestones as wake-up calls

04:59 — Why reflection only happens off the treadmill

05:27 — Is micro-retirement just rebranding unemployment?

05:56 — Why the word matters more than you think

06:30 — The need for a new term

07:53 — Why nonprofit leaders burn out fastest

10:39 — Training future leaders by stepping away

11:12 — Sabbatical-as-benefit on a shoestring budget

11:40 — Why employers resist the idea

12:07 — The costs of quiet quitting

12:34 — Why micro-retirements can increase productivity

13:02 — Sabbatical vs micro-retirement: the naming problem

13:35 — Why “3 months minimum” actually matters

14:29 — Why Americans don’t recognize their own burnout

16:18 — The France comparison that changes everything

16:46 — “Where do you vacation?” as identity

17:18 — Pandemic shifts in work culture

18:22 — Could the US ever adopt the August model?

19:57 — What Europe gets right—and wrong—about work

21:20 — Has work become meaning or misery?

21:55 — The generational gap in purpose

24:48 — What happens if cynicism wins

25:54 — A German lens on work meaning

28:12 — FIRE vs micro-retirement mindsets

29:05 — The “aunt at Thanksgiving” argument

30:01 — The burnout-pushed retirement pattern

30:29 — The “do nothing” phase no one expects

30:58 — When nothingness reveals burnout severity

32:02 — Skill-building in the wild

33:40 — The danger of over-planning time off

34:40 — Handling the “yeah but my bills” barrier

35:06 — Micro-retirements aren’t résumé gaps

38:01 — What would happen if 60% of employers offered this?

40:19 — Could mini-retirements reshape whole industries?

41:00 — The hidden cost of burnout recovery

42:46 — Closing reflections on culture, work & wellbeing

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