Heidi and Ellen talk to Hayley and Kelly. Hayley is an engineer and as a side gig loves buying, selling and renovating houses. She just got a new job that involves a possible relocation and potentially a house purchase. She wonders if this is a good time to move and grab this opportunity. Kelly is at a moment when everything in her life feels in upheaval. She recently had a second baby and is also contemplating a move and a new career. She wonders if she should lean into all the changes or grit her teeth through all the discomfort. Ellen and Heidi also talk about the HBO series 'White Lotus' and the Apple TV + movie 'CODA'.

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