Heidi and Ellen talk to Jennifer and Logan.  Jennifer is in the midst of a major career change.  After many years in advertising she has switched to real estate.  While she loves the flexibility and potential of her new job, she is not happy working nights and weekends and the fact that she has no benefits.  She wonders if she should give it more time. Logan is a marriage and family therapist. She loves her work and also finds herself drawn to design and feng shui.  She wants to find a way to reconcile these two loves. Ellen and Heidi also talk about ‘The Morning Show’ on Apple TV +; ‘The Chair’ on Netflix; the wonderful movie- ‘City Island’; and the classic book by David Whyte,ei ‘Crossing The Unknown Sea; Work As a Pilgrimage to Identity’.

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