Heidi and Ellen talk to Alyssa and Brynnen. Alyssa got a master's degree in puppetry and is looking for a job in a creative field. Since the pandemic and the disappearance of live events, it has been hard to find something in the areas she loves. She is feeling a bit lost and hopeless. Similarly, Brynnen has found the last year to be a stressful and unknowing time. She has previously designed the interiors for luxury hotels but wants to move on to doing something smaller and more of her own making. She feels a bit daunted and confused about how to step forward. Ellen and Heidi also talk about Season 2 of 'The Morning Show'; 'Muhammad Ali 'by Ken Burns (on PBS) and 'Only Murders in the Building' with Steve Martin, Martin Short and Selena Gomez.

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