Heidi and Ellen interview Melissa and Sophia.  Both are successful in their respective careers but deal with shyness and self doubt when in public  Melissa is a writer that prefers to stay behind the scenes. Sophia is a teacher but feels more at ease in the world of art. We talk about Susan Cain’s TED talk ‘The Power of Introverts in a World That Can’t Stop Talking’ and the many ways to feel more comfortable having your voice heard. We also talk about the movie ‘The Trial of the Chicago Seven’ and the Netflix series, ‘The Queen’s Gambit’.