Heidi and Ellen talk to Toland and Kirsten. Toland has recently started a coaching business. So far she has just had friends and family as clients. She finds she is procrastinating about the next hard steps and wonders how to break through the logjam. Kirsten has a human resources job that she hates and has a dream to open a wedding venue in the woods. While she has taken steps to make the wedding venue a reality, things are moving slowly and she is doubting herself. Ellen and Heidi also talk about King Richard with Will Smith (HBO Max); House of Gucci (in theaters); Get Back, Peter Jackson's new series about the Beatles (Disney Plus); and The Wheel of Time (Amazon).