Heidi and Ellen interview Michaela and Jane. Michaela has been an educator for many years but is unfulfilled and bored and feels misaligned in her career. Jane is juggling the age-old dilemma between wanting too move ahead with her very successful career and her pull to spend time with her children while they are still young. She worries if she waits on her career expansion she will miss the boat. We talk about the book Wintering: The Power of Rest and Retreat in Difficult Times by Katherine May; the episode of Hillary Clinton's podcast that focuses on Food, where she talks to Samin Nosrat and Jose Andres; and the very out-of the box astrologer, Maren Altman.