Heidi and Ellen talk to Diane and Jena. Both are happy with their lives and work but know there is something more that beckons them. They have hints as to what that might be - but are unsure how to move forward. We also talk about the films- 'Nomadland', 'The Sound of Metal' and 'Supernova' as well as the beautiful new book- 'Between Two Kingdoms: A Memoir of a Life Interrupted' by Suleika Jaouad.