In this episode special guest Dr Jud Brewer - pioneering psychiatrist, neurosciencist, and New York Times best-selling author - joins the ongoing conversation featuring:

- Shinzen Young, meditation teacher and neuroscience research consultant

- Chelsey Fasano, a Columbia University neuroscience student

- Dr Jay Sanguinetti, Assistant Director for the Center for Consciousness Studies and Research Professor at the University of New Mexico

In this episode Dr Brewer gives a fascinating summary of his ground-breaking work, and shares his wildest secret dream for the future of neuroscience and humanity at large.

Dr Sanguinetti and Shinzen reveal the latest science in their lab, and dialogue with Dr Brewer about pseudo-arhats and the power of conditioning.

The panel also map the 4 noble truths using the latest neuroscience theories, debate the pros and cons of including subjective experience in serious research, explore how to translate academic language into common parlance, and raise serious concerns about healthy integration of altered states.

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Video version: https://www.guruviking.com/ep128-pioneering-science-dr-jud-brewer-shinzen-young-chelsey-fasano-dr-sanguinetti/

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00:00 - Intro

01:29 - Dr Jud Brewer summarises his pioneering work

18:41 - Jud’s vision for the future of the field

29:19 - Hope for the future

37:31 - Shinzen’s meta comment

40:08 - Jud’s wildest secret dream

44:58 - Dr Jay Sanguinetti tells the story of his work

49:51 - Jay’s collaboration with Shinzen Young

54:11 - Jay and Shinzen go deeper into the science

59:24 - Mapping the 4 Noble Truths with the neuroscience

01:06:19 - Pseudo-arhats and interruption of conditioning

01:08:13 - Getting unstuck and inducing equanimity

01:13:24 - Exciting developments at SEMA Lab

01:16:44 - Discussing different areas of the PCC

01:20:19 - Pros and cons of integrating first person subjective experience

01:24:54 - Next steps at SEMA Lab and integrating mindfulness training

01:26:19 - Jud reflects on the pragmatic public health implications

01:28:59 - Crucial considerations around integrating altered states

01:34:32 - Jud’s latest work on integration

01:36:48 - Shinzen on academic vs street language

01:44:41 - Chelsey’s reflections

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Previous episodes in this series:

- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlkzlKFgdknxjhwG5wmXRVfrkeGczVPVI

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To find out more about Dr Brewer, visit:

- https://drjud.com/

- https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Judson-Brewer

To find out more about Shinzen, visit:

- https://www.guruviking.com/ep37-shinzen-young-pandemic-edition-guru-viking-podcast/

- www.shinzen.org

To find out more about Chelsey, visit:

- www.chelseyfasano.com

To find our more about Dr Sanguinetti, visit:

- https://www.guruviking.com/ep102-dr-jay-sanguinetti-cults-science-the-dalai-lama/

- https://www.jaysanguinetti.com/

For more interviews, videos, and more visit:

- www.guruviking.com

Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James