In this episode I host part 5 of an ongoing trialogue between Shinzen Young, meditation teacher and neuroscience research consultant, Chelsey Fasano, a Columbia University neuroscience student, and Dr Jay Sanguinetti, Assistant Director for the Center for Consciousness Studies and Research Assistant Professor at the University of New Mexico.

In this episode we discuss topics such as is there an enlightenment button and is it enough, extracting the essence of religious approaches, multi-dimensional integration after enlightenment, a deep dive on trauma and the no-self, and more.

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https://www.guruviking.com/ep94-the-enlightenment-button-feat-shinzen-young-chelsey-fasano-dr-jay-sanguinetti/

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Topics Include:

00:00 - Intro

00:41 - Is there an enlightenment button and is it enough?

03:46 - The scope of the enlightenment button

09:01 - How deep can a state level change go?

11:24 - Spontaneous awakening trends

14:21 - Extracting the essence

17:18 - Operationalising enlightenment and the context of awakening

20:53 - Embodied interdependent cognition and integration

24:43 - Wilber’s ‘clean up, grow up, wake up’

27:16 - Shinzen comments on Wilber’s formulation

29:42 - Shinzen responds to criticisms of modern mindfulness

34:43 - Embedding the practice

38:30 - Can no-self reinforce trauma?

41:00 - Harnessing reward systems for meditation

42:29 - Defining no-self

44:09 - Multi-dimensional self alteration

47:29 - Shinzen on trauma and the dying process

58:30 - The Christian religious experience

1:00:12 - Pattern completion and changing relationship to trauma

1:08:55 - After enlightenment, why heal?

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Previous episodes with Shinzen and Chelsey:

- https://www.guruviking.com/ep72-shinzen-young-and-chelsey-fasano-tantra-neuroscience-and-true-enlightenment/

- https://www.guruviking.com/ep76-shinzen-young-chelsey-fasano-2-the-science-of-enlightenment/

- https://www.guruviking.com/ep81-shinzen-young-chelsey-fasano-3-orgasm-epilepsy-mystical-experience/

- https://www.guruviking.com/ep86-bliss-enlightenment-fristonian-physics-feat-chelsey-fasano-shinzen-young-dr-jay-sanguinetti/

Previous Interview with Shinzen Young:

- https://www.guruviking.com/ep37-shinzen-young-pandemic-edition-guru-viking-podcast/

To find out more about Shinzen, visit:

- www.shinzen.org

To find out more about Chelsey, visit:

- www.chelseyfasano.com

To find our more about Dr Sanguinetti, visit:

- https://www.jaysanguinetti.com/

For more interviews, videos, and more visit:

- www.guruviking.com

Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James