Daryl Davis is an African-American musician, author, and activist. Throughout his life, he has engaged with and befriended members of the Ku Klux Klan, leading dozens of former white supremacists to leave the organization. During our conversation, Daryl talks about his upbringing, how he began meeting KKK members, and race in America.

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(01:16) Daryl’s background and moving to the U.S.

(06:04) Daryl’s first racist encounter

(12:36) The incidents that led Daryl to dig deeper into understanding racism

(21:36) Meeting Matt Cole the second time

(27:07) How Matt Cole got more and more people into the American Nazi Party

(32:52) Daryl’s first encounter with a KKK member

(42:13) Daryl’s second encounter with a KKK member who had for the first time spoken to a person of color

(48:46) Daryl’s decision to interview Roger Kelly

(59:28) A journey to meet the “Grand Dragon,” Roger Kelly

(01:21:11) Why ignorance breeds hate

(01:34:43) Dan and Daryl discuss a scene from a documentary about Daryl's life, Accidental Courtesy

(01:41:57) Daryl’s closing advice for the listeners

(01:49:16) Daryl and Dan talk about the state of our society today and how it has evolved over the years