For the tenth episode of Drafting the Past, Kate Carpenter interviews historian and journalist David M. Perry. David is the author of many, many essays (find the whole list here), as well as Sacred Plunder: Venice and the Aftermath of the Fourth Crusade (Penn State University Press, 2015). More recently, he is the co-author, with Matthew Gabriele, of The Bright Ages: A New History of Medieval Europe (HarperCollins, 2021). Our conversation covered everything from how David uses a recorder to draft his work, how he and Matthew approached co-writing, how he came to love writing after first considering it an ordeal, and much more.