Camilla Kring is an author, a global speaker, and is the founder of B-Society, an organization fighting for "chronotype equality." During our conversation, Camilla talks about night owls and morning birds, why humans have a wide spectrum of sleep cycles, our cultural bias towards early birds, the damage done to night owls who are asked to fit into a morning bird society, and how we might be able to provide greater time autonomy to people to live in accordance with their own rhythms.

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00:00 Intro

00:39 An "A person" vs "B person"

02:40 Social jet lag of night owls

04:15 Evolutionary reasons for night owls

11:15 How society became biased against night owls

15:30 Are night owls lazy?

21:00 The range of preferred sleeping cycles in humans

26:27 The guilt of and bias against night owls

32:12 Advice for night owls who can't control their schedule

36:10 How AM sunlight and light exposure helps people

37:20 The importance of sleep

43:16 Chronotypes and a quote from "Why We Sleep"

48:44 Can night owls turn into morning birds?

54:30 Is our society chronically sleep-deprived?

58:23 How does a sane society approach sleep?