Today we're joined by Carlos Whittaker, who has a new book tackling the benefits of unplugging from our phones because of some unexpected experiences he recently embraced. We talk to him about it all. Plus, the cast tackles the current state of the music industry and award shows (thanks, VMAs), as well as Kendrick Lamar name-dropping some Christian rappers in his new track, spy whales, and the role of AI in unemployment benefits. At the end of the show, because the Emmys were Sunday, they have a session of a TV-themed "Unpopular Opinions Roundtable," and somehow ended up in a deep dive of an obscure Ben Stiller film. Of course.

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