Restoring the Soul with Michael John Cusick

Episode 120 - Chuck DeGroat, "When Narcissism Comes to the Church"


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“We all swim in the waters of narcissism.” - Chuck DeGroat

Did you know there is an epidemic of narcissism in the church? Whether it’s in the pulpit, lurking behind the scenes, or embedded deep within the organizational systems of the church - narcissism is running rampant and needs to be addressed.

Today’s podcast will do just that. In fact, the next two episodes deal with narcissism in frank yet hopeful terms as Michael John Cusick spends time with Chuck DeGroat discussing his latest book, When Narcissism Comes to the Church.

Chuck is uniquely qualified on this topic as he has been counseling pastors with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, as well as those wounded by narcissistic leaders and systems, for over twenty years. He knows firsthand the devastation narcissism leaves in its wake and how insidious and painful it is.

It’s one thing to be able to point out someone’s faults and identify where people are broken, but as you’ll hear, Chuck offers hope for narcissists themselves—not by any shortcut, but by the long, slow road of genuine recovery, possible only through repentance and trust in the humble gospel of Jesus. We all need to lean in and listen closely over the next two podcasts.

In this podcast, we hope you will discover:

  • Characteristics of narcissism
  • The difference between covert & overt narcissism
  • Why narcissism seem to thrive in our churches


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