This week I got to sit down with Lysa TerKeurst and Joel Muddamalle—and we tackled a topic the church doesn’t always handle well: divorce.

Lysa has a powerful new book coming out, Surviving an Unwanted Divorce, and Joel, who serves as Director of Theology and Research at Proverbs 31 Ministries, brings clarity and depth to what Scripture really says (and doesn’t say) about this hard subject. Lysa shares her personal and painful journey through an unwanted divorce and what it means to face the reality that it takes two people to make a marriage work.

We talk about:

• The difference between a difficult marriage and a destructive marriage
• What “God hates divorce” actually means in the original text of Malachi
• Emotional and spiritual abuse that often goes unseen
• Why elevating the institution of marriage over the image bearers in it causes harm
• How forgiveness fits into the healing process

This conversation isn’t just for those walking through divorce—it’s for friends, family, pastors, and church leaders who want to love people well in the middle of it (which is basically all of us).

🎧 Tune in for this honest and important conversation with Lysa and Joel—and don’t forget to pre-order Lysa’s new book today!

Proverbs 31 Ministries

Surviving an Unwanted Divorce: A Biblical, Practical Guide to Letting Go While Holding Yourself Together

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