How do we measure the “immeasurable” in leadership?

In this episode of the Flourishing Leaders Podcast, host Dr. Scott Parsons sits down with Dr. Ryan Brown, Managing Director for Measurement and Associate Director at the Doerr Institute for New Leaders at Rice University.

In this inspiring conversation, Ryan shares his groundbreaking work on how character, forgiveness, and accountability shape authentic leadership. Ryan has spent his career at the intersection of psychology, leadership, and measurement—helping organizations prove their impact on people through rigorous data and innovative assessment methods.

In this episode, Ryan and Scott discuss how leaders can embrace forgiveness without losing accountability, the role of measurement in creating real change, and why the best leadership development programs must be evidence-based.

Together, Scott and Ryan explore:

• Why leadership development must be measured to matter
• How cultures of honor shape leadership and behavior
• The role of self-control, forgiveness, and humility in flourishing leaders
• The power of measurement and accountability in transforming organizations
• Practical ways leaders and educators can track growth and impact

This episode will challenge how you think about leadership—reminding us that flourishing leadership isn’t just about ideals; it’s about clarity, evidence, and lasting change. If you’re curious about the future of leadership development, the science of flourishing, or how to build organizations that thrive, this episode is packed with wisdom and practical takeaways.

 Learn more about Ryan’s work at the Doerr Institute for New Leaders and check out his books: Honor Bound, Leadership Reckoning, and Measuring the Mist.

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