Sometimes recovery can feel harder than it looks like it should be. Jon and Jackie take a look at why it might be that people feel like they get stuck having the same conversations or experiences the same way with the same results. Welcome to Poly Vagal Theory!

We mentioned this youtube video in the podcast- if you want a chuckle at a song about the Poly Vagal nerve- this may be the only song ever written about it https://youtu.be/hCCNv3P7jUs.

We also want to make sure to cite Stephen Porges- the author of Poly Vagal Theory. You can learn more about him and his work at http://stephenporges.com/