In this episode, Kate talks with historian and American Studies scholar Davarian Baldwin about his books, In the Shadow of the Ivory Tower: How Universities Are Plundering Our Cities (Bold Type, 2021) and Chicago's New Negroes: Modernity, The Great Migration, and Black Urban Life (UNC Press, 2007). Listen to find out how Dr. Baldwin gradually came around to narrative writing, how he procrastinates by crafting phrases in his head, and the unexpected piece of public writing he has coming out this year.