Oprah Winfrey's former executive producer Sheri Salata and her cohost Nancy Hala from The Sheri + Nancy Show podcast, join us again this week to continue their fascinating conversation!

On this episode, Sheri delves into the title of her new book, The Beautiful No. She explains how a devastating professional rejection at a time in which she was in a difficult period in her career became for her "the beautiful no," that is, the best thing that could have happened to her. That rejection eventually led her to become the executive producer of The Oprah Winfrey Show, a job that quite literally changed her life.

Sheri and Nancy also talk about what they call "fresh joy," that is, the deliberately stirring up of happy feelings, which often involves newness—something that can require a lot of effort for people in middle-life.

Make sure to listen to Part 1 of this interview first!

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