On this episode, our guest is Phyllis B. Frank, the Senior Director of VCS, a mental health counseling and family service agency located in Rockland County, with an anti-racist, social justice mission. Phyllis has dedicated herself to the battered women's movement for the past 40 plus years, starting the first NY Model for Batterer Programs.

Phyllis shares with us her journey over the past four and a half decades from volunteer counselor to battered women's activist to social justice legend. She is here to talk to us about the program and its impact, shortcomings of the program, and other ways in which we can strengthen our systems to hold abusers accountable to their actions and keep survivors and their children safe.

During our show, Phyllis and I spoke about a variety of topics and thought it would be helpful to share links to those references and resources:

• Effectiveness of Batterer Intervention Programs
• Best Practices for Batterer Intervention Programs
• The Emerge Website explaining why Anger Management is not appropriate for Batterers/Abusers

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