Mindfulness isn't about emptying your mind or finally feeling calm—and believing it was is probably why you quit.

Your emotions fire before your thinking brain ever catches up, which means most of your reactions—the defensiveness, the cravings, the snap judgments—are already in motion before you "decide" anything. In this conversation, Tony unpacks the neuroscience behind that gap and the genuinely doable practice that helps you notice your patterns sooner, build a pause, and respond to your life instead of just reacting to it.

In this episode, you'll:

Discover why you "feel before you think"—the low road and high road your brain takes, and why emotions fire roughly two and a half times faster than thoughts

Learn to build the pause that turns automatic reactions (yes, including the fourth Oreo) into actual choices

Untangle the real difference between meditation and mindfulness—and why the practice has roots in everything from Buddhist tradition to Christian contemplative prayer, no conversion required

Understand why silence can feel so unbearable that people will choose a mild electric shock over sitting alone with their thoughts—and what that reveals about emotional avoidance

Strengthen the "runway" between your internal smoke alarm and your inner fire chief using sleep, breath, and a practice you can start in the next sixty seconds

Tony Overbay is a licensed marriage and family therapist and host of The Virtual Couch, drawing on his clinical work and four-plus years of daily practice to make mindfulness feel approachable instead of intimidating.

Stay through the end for a short guided practice you can take with you—and remember, you're not failing when your mind wanders. You're not broken. You're human. Start with one breath today.

00:00 One Year Post Fusion

01:02 Trusting Physical Therapy

02:56 From Woo Woo to Mindfulness

05:05 No Magic Beans

10:03 The Pause Changes Everything

14:12 Stick Not Snake Brain

19:09 Oreos and Autopilot

22:07 Mindfulness and Maturity

28:56 Meditation Practice Tiers

30:31 My Daily Practice Origin

34:46 Meditation vs Mindfulness

35:28 Meditation Roots East West

38:02 Skepticism and Ownership

40:20 Meditation Styles Overview

42:34 Mindfulness Misconceptions

45:47 Mindfulness in Daily Life

48:33 Mindfulness History and MBSR

52:10 What Mindfulness Is Not

55:33 Brainwaves and Frequencies

58:47 Entrainment and Binaural Beats

01:02:52 Natural Sounds and Safety

01:05:15 Apophenia Pattern Seeking

01:06:41 Why Silence Feels Hard

01:10:22 Stimulation Dopamine Avoidance

01:11:46 Back to Beats and Apps

01:12:08 Meditation Apps I Use

01:12:26 Monroe Institute Hemi Sync

01:13:51 Gateway Process Hype

01:15:01 Binaural Beats Reality Check

01:16:07 Breathwork Science Basics

01:17:38 Vagus Nerve and HRV

01:19:33 Nasal vs Mouth Breathing

01:22:20 Diaphragmatic Breathing

01:23:43 Neurons Wire Together

01:25:01 Startle Response Runway

01:27:54 Lengthening the Runway

01:30:32 What We Learned Today

01:32:46 Guided Mindfulness Practice

01:38:19 This Too Shall Pass

01:39:54 You Are Not Broken

01:43:04 Closing Breath and Goodbye

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A heads-up before you press play: this is a bonus crossover from my true crime podcast, Murder on the Couch, dropping into your Virtual Couch / Waking Up to Narcissism feed. It's heavier than usual and opens with a disturbing familicide case that I don't sugarcoat, so if that's not where you are right now, it's completely okay to sit this one out and come back when you're ready. If you stay, I use the case to get at the things we talk about all the time—shame, compartmentalization, the altruistic defense, emotional immaturity, and differentiation—because the behavior is horrific, but the psychology underneath it is deeply human.

John List killed his wife, his mother, and his three children—then walked away convinced God would understand.

Murder on the Couch is back. Licensed therapist Tony Overbay reopens one of true crime's most chilling family annihilation cases, but not for the manhunt or the famous 18 years List spent hiding in plain sight as "Bob Clark." Tony sits with the question that actually keeps him up at night: how does a devout, rule-following Sunday school teacher reach a place where murder becomes, in his own mind, the most loving thing he could do? If you've ever performed "fine" while something was quietly falling apart inside you, this one lands closer to home than you'd expect.

In this episode:

Untangle guilt ("I did something bad") from shame ("I am bad")—and why shame left in the dark only grows heavier

Spot the "altruistic defense": how control and harm get repackaged as love, devotion, and protection

See how rigidity, compartmentalization, and a performed self can hollow a person out long before any crisis hits

Learn the ACT distinction between the conceptualized self (the story) and the observing self (the awareness)—and why List had no one home to catch him when the story collapsed

Drawing on acceptance and commitment therapy, David Schnarch's work on differentiation, and Richard Rohr's reframe of shame, Tony brings 600-plus episodes of clinical insight to the cases that won't let him go.

Shame grows in concealment and shrinks in connection. And Tony's looking for a co-host—if a case has gotten under your skin and you know why, email [email protected] and pitch it.

00:00 Bonus Episode Setup

00:21 Murder on the Couch Returns

02:56 Content Warning and Themes

05:53 John List Case Opens

08:46 Show Relaunch and Co-Host Invite

12:40 John List Background and Unraveling

17:31 Compartmentalization Explained

19:53 Shame Versus Guilt

24:21 ACT Defusion and Healing

25:47 Shame Architecture of John List

28:21 Altruistic Defense and Covert Narcissism

30:49 Narcissistic Injury

31:26 Altruistic Defense

35:32 Love Versus Control

36:29 Rigidity Explained

38:08 Rules And Fragility

42:06 Eighteen Years Hidden

45:40 Conceptualized Self

48:35 Excavating The Self

52:56 Why This Case Haunts

54:31 Faith And Performance

58:07 Tell The Truth

59:41 Closing And Co-Hosts

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You can't forgive a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner—and you think that makes you a bad person. It doesn't.

For anyone who's been on the receiving end of years of criticism, betrayal, or being subtly "nothinged" in a relationship, the well-meaning prescription to "just forgive and forget" can sting more than the original harm. In this follow-up to his earlier episode on acceptance versus forgiveness, Tony goes deeper into the architecture beneath it—why your nervous system can't comply on someone else's timeline, and what actually hands the keys back to you.

In this episode, you'll:

Meet Wally and Edwina—a case study in nice guy syndrome, covert contracts, and what twenty years of co-dysregulation can do to a body before it lands you in the ER

Understand why forgiveness is other-validated (it requires the harm-doer's participation) while acceptance is self-validated and yours to complete on your own timeline

Explore David Schnarch's four points of balance and the concept of borrowed functioning—how you end up renting your sense of "okay-ness" from a critical partner

Learn why James Coan's social baseline theory means solo mindfulness is only half the story, and what calm, confident energy actually looks like when it lands in the body

Hear a faith-centered reframe for Christian listeners who've been told that good forgiveness means swimming harder while still inside the wreckage

With over twenty years and 1,700+ couples in his clinical practice, Tony Overbay, LMFT, brings the framework beneath a phrase you've heard a thousand times.

If you've been quietly running a covert contract or beating yourself up for not being able to "just let it go," this episode is for you. You're not broken. You're human—and you're right where you need to be.

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01:11 Meet Edwina Criticism

03:31 Covert Contract Explained

05:18 ER Wake Up Call

06:57 Edwina Reaction Fallout

09:11 Years Later Apathy

10:15 Therapy Apology Rage

11:31 Pastor Says Forgive

14:30 Episode Setup Questions

15:29 Acceptance Versus Forgiveness

17:27 Differentiation Co Regulation

21:11 Narcissism Versus Immaturity

26:13 Emotional Maturity Skills

31:33 Lens One Differentiation

34:27 Social Baseline Theory

35:26 Wally’s Chaos Sync

37:46 Edwina’s Criticism Roots

39:32 Calm Confident Energy

40:13 Four Points Balance

45:24 Acceptance Needs Safety

49:24 Forgiveness Versus Acceptance

52:55 Pressure to Forgive

56:29 Acceptance for Believers

01:02:53 What We Learned Today

01:08:35 Wally’s Ongoing Healing

After almost 30 years, she finally told her narcissistic husband she wanted out. His response was a multi-page letter that sounds like love and lands like a trap.

If you've ever received "the letter" — the one that arrives days after you've finally spoken the words you've been swallowing for years — you already know the whiplash. The apologies that aren't apologies. The sudden warmth bolted onto the accusations. The quiet threat tucked inside the concern. A listener sent Tony exactly that letter, and in this episode he walks through it line by line, naming roughly sixteen distinct manipulation moves most partners can feel but can't always put into words.

In this episode:

Decode 16 manipulation moves hiding in plain sight: the "apology clock," the branding campaign ("you gave up"), the splitting, the Hoover, the staged joint meeting with the kids, and the final pathologizing exit line

Understand the "attack surface" concept — why your silence felt safe, and why finally telling the truth invites retaliation

Recognize what's actually happening when a pathologically kind partner goes flat after years of fighting for the marriage

Learn the three real parts of an apology, and why "I'm sorry that you feel…" is never one of them

See why this letter is a fused document in ACT terms, and how cognitive fusion makes a real conversation nearly impossible

Tony Overbay is a licensed marriage and family therapist with over two decades of experience helping partners untangle narcissistic and emotionally immature relationship dynamics.

If this letter sounded familiar, you're not crazy and you're not alone — naming the moves is usually where the fog starts to lift. Share this episode with the person who needs it.

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00:00 Shot Heard Round World

02:12 Marriage Exit Backstory

05:23 Reading His Letter

13:55 Letter Dissection Begins

15:07 Move One You Win

17:08 Move Two Apology Clock

18:31 Move Three Discredit Therapy

23:03 Move Four Ammo Threat

25:53 Move Five Provider Entitlement

27:58 Move Six Smear Branding

29:47 Move Seven Weaponized Vows

32:33 Move Eight Assertiveness Pathologized

32:38 Redefining Her Strength

34:00 Splitting Into Two Wives

35:47 Sit Back and Take It

36:53 Kids as Leverage

40:21 Fake Apologies and Punishment

42:28 The Hoover Pivot

43:41 Anti-Introspection Reset

45:04 Illusion of Choice Trap

53:30 Threads and Weaponized Tools

55:19 ACT Fusion and Wrap Up

56:33 Closing Encouragement and Growth

You're not surviving an earthquake in your narcissistic relationship. You're surviving termites—slow, structural damage no one else can see...until it's too late!

In this 11th installment of Death by 1,000 Cuts, Tony Overbay, LMFT, shares his own cut for the first time in the series: the weekly phone call with his mom that was never going to land as "enough," no matter how he showed up. From there, he walks through four clusters of cuts pulled directly from listeners—the illusion of choice, two versions of reality, being set up to fail, and the punishment that arrives wrapped as a "we problem." If you've ever tried to describe what life inside an emotionally immature or narcissistic relationship actually feels like and watched the people around you look confused, this episode puts language around what your body has been telling you all along.

Episode highlights:

Recognize the "attack surface"—why your opinion gets requested, then quietly dismantled (paint colors, restaurants, Christmas gifts)

Decode the two-faces pattern, projection, and how reality gets edited in real time

Spot the setup-to-fail trap: squeegees, mowing, dishwashers, and "help" that's actually a rigged test

Understand co-regulation and why a relationship destabilizes the moment you start getting healthier

Hear what continues after separation—and why "diagnostic warfare" lands as a dull thud once you become more grounded

Tony Overbay is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, betrayal-trauma certified, and the founder of the Magnetic Marriage course and the Men's Emotional Architects group—work built on helping people name what they couldn't quite name before.

If something in this episode pulled up a cut of your own, write it down. And if you're willing to share it for a future episode, send it to [email protected]. You're not crazy. You're recognizing termites.

00:00 Welcome and Updates

01:25 Termites House Metaphor

05:04 Why It’s Hard to Explain

06:41 Co-Regulation and Equilibrium

08:45 Tony’s Phone Call Cut

13:19 Why These Episodes Validate

15:04 Cluster One Illusion of Choice

19:20 Cluster Two-Two Realities

23:08 Masks in Public

24:33 Faith and Validation

26:44 Reality Gets Edited

27:30 Everything Is a We Problem

29:16 Set Up to Fail

33:35 Punishment and Withdrawal

38:00 After Separation

39:29 Parallel Parenting Masks

40:35 Diagnostic Warfare

42:11 Grounded Healing Tools

44:31 Write It Down

47:18 Closing Thanks

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"He wasn't evil." Those three words from actor Christoph Waltz, from an interview on how he prepared himself to play one of the most brutal, cruel characters to grace a movie screen, explain exactly why the narcissist in your life can hurt you and then look at you with genuine confusion when you share with them how what they've done, or said, has hurt you. What if they know what they are doing, but they believe they are justified, that they are "right."

In this landmark episode, Tony Overbay, LMFT, makes a deeply personal revelation: many of the "listener stories" shared on this podcast were actually drawn from his own lived experience with his emotionally immature mother, who passed away in 2025. Through his own journey of differentiation—and a powerful insight from Simon Sinek about why nobody believes they're the villain—Tony reframes the question that keeps every pathologically kind person stuck: "Do they know what they're doing?"

In this episode, you'll discover:

Why "he wasn't evil" changes everything — the Christoph Waltz principle that explains how narcissistic people cause harm without ever believing they've done anything wrong.

The critical difference between "right" and "good" — and why the emotionally immature person's unshakable certainty is more dangerous than deliberate cruelty.

How pathological kindness becomes the trap — why your empathy keeps you decoding their intent instead of asking, "Is this acceptable to me?"

Tony's personal journey through Schnarch's four points of balance — what it actually looked like to stop needing external validation from the person least likely to give it.

The reframe that sets you free — moving from "Are they doing it on purpose?" to "Does the impact on me change either way?"

Drawing from over 20 years of clinical work, his own differentiation journey, and the real experiences behind this podcast, Tony delivers one of his most honest and transformative episodes yet. If you've ever wondered whether your partner truly sees what they're doing, this one will meet you exactly where you are.

Reach out at tonyoverbay.com or join the private women's Facebook group and the new Men's Emotional Architects group to connect with people who finally get what you've been going through.

Please follow Tony on Instagram @virtual.couch, on TikTok @virtualcouch, and on Facebook.

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00:00 Big Reveal Setup

01:02 Mother's Day Story

02:49 It Was Me

03:45 Why I Stayed Quiet

07:58 Five Rules Primer

09:10 Popcorn Moments

11:35 Do They Know

14:07 Waltz And Sinek

17:18 Good Versus Right

18:14 Faith And Certainty

24:19 Pathologically Kind

25:37 Maris And Ansel

28:30 Inside The Immature Mind

30:10 Therapy Pattern Recognition

31:53 Intentionality Toggle

32:40 Beyond Good or Evil

33:50 Confabulation Defense Mode

35:26 Vulnerability Feels Like an Attack

36:39 Compassion Trap for Kind People

37:59 Healthy Repair Looks Like

38:54 Why Aha Moments Rarely Stick

40:43 Differentiation With My Mom

48:37 Hospice Doctor Mix Up

54:48 Stop Waiting Choose You

55:41 Articulate Gaslighting Explained

57:04 Let Go of Intentionality

59:12 Closing Support and Community

Tony Overbay is a licensed marriage and family therapist, betrayal trauma certified, and host of The Virtual Couch, Waking Up to Narcissism, and Love, ADHD podcasts.

If the idea of change through agency—not shame—resonates with you, explore Tony's Magnetic Marriage course at tonyoverbay.com/magnetic

Please follow Tony on Instagram @virtual.couch, on TikTok @virtualcouch, on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/tonyoverbaylmft, and on Substack https://thevirtualcouch.substack.com/. You can reach out to Tony through his website tonyoverbay.com or by emailing contact @ tonyoverbay.com

Contact Tony at [email protected] to learn more about his Emotional Architects men's group.

Ever lost an argument you know you should have won — but couldn't explain why? That's not a coincidence. It's a strategy called "The Pop."

Tony Overbay, LMFT, introduces a powerful new framework for understanding one of the most disorienting dynamics in emotionally immature and narcissistic relationships: paltering — using technically true statements to build a completely false picture of reality. Through vivid storytelling, real listener examples, and the unforgettable journey of a popcorn kernel named Kevin, Tony names the mechanism that has left so many people feeling crazy when they were actually catching something real.

In this episode, you'll discover:

What "The Pop" is and why a single kernel of truth can expand into a narrative that fills the entire room — mostly air

How paltering differs from outright lying, and why your brain's alarm system doesn't fire the way it normally would

Real stories from The Kernel Collection — listener-submitted examples of half-truths weaponized in relationships

Why you became a "court reporter" in your own relationship, and why that's an adaptation — not a flaw

How implicit memory — your body's record of every conversation that left you smaller — is the one thing The Pop can't touch

With over 1,500 couples counseled and hundreds of clients navigating narcissistic relationship dynamics, Tony delivers both the clinical framework and the emotional validation this topic demands.

If you've ever told yourself, "I can't point to a specific lie — so maybe I'm the problem," this episode will change how you see every confusing conversation you've ever had.

00:00 Popcorn Obsession

01:36 Kernel Origin Story

02:46 Kevin Pops

05:48 Truth Becomes Weapon

09:33 Show Intro Concept

12:38 Paltering Half Truths

16:49 NXIVM Big Example

20:31 Long Term Erosion

21:38 Lauren Pattern Example

24:04 Listener Stories

25:56 Dinner Drinks Story

29:55 Flat Tire Example

30:22 Flat Tire Blame Shift

32:12 Confabulated Hero Narrative

33:38 Money Versus Love Trap

34:41 Doctor Appointment Reversal

36:26 Sorry But Apology

38:21 Why The Pop Works

40:24 Court Reporter Survival

43:16 Mindfulness And Runway

45:37 Boundaries Not Ultimatums

52:10 Trust Implicit Memory

53:50 Orienting Steps Forward

55:20 Differentiation And Crucible

01:01:44 Closing Takeaways

Learn more at tonyoverbay.com and explore the Magnetic Marriage course for relationships where both people want to do the work.

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"I was triggered" vs. "I chose"—what if both are true, and neither gets to the real problem?

When a listener sent Tony a viral video challenging people to replace "I was triggered" with "I chose," it sparked a deeper conversation about accountability, nervous system science, and the shame-based frameworks many of us inherited long before we ever heard the word "trigger." This episode holds two truths at once: yes, adults are responsible for their behavior—and the initial nervous system activation that precedes a choice is real, automatic, and not a moral failure.

Episode highlights:

Why the word "trigger" can feel like a life sentence to trauma survivors—and an identity assignment to the people who hurt them

Rick Hanson's "first and second dart" framework and the four stages of change from unconscious incompetence to unconscious competence

The critical distinction between activation and action—and why that space is where all growth lives

How Richard Rohr's reframe of sin as brokenness needing healing (not judgment) connects directly to why shame never produces lasting change

How shame gets installed in childhood before a four-year-old's brain can separate "I did something bad" from "I am bad"—and how ACT defusion offers a way out

00:00 Welcome and Course Plug

01:08 Listener Email and The Bet

03:33 Nick Pollard Trigger Reframe

04:57 Agreeing With Nuance

08:58 Trigger Word Cultural Weight

13:21 First and Second Darts

15:08 Four Stages of Change

21:21 Agency vs Nervous System

24:00 Pathologically Kind and Shame

26:46 Language Shapes Experience

27:18 Sin Versus Healing

28:36 Rohr Reframes Brokenness

31:08 Shame Keeps Us Stuck

31:57 How Shame Gets Installed

37:03 ACT And Defusion

40:13 Radical Acceptance Lens

41:52 Original Sin Culture Myth

46:43 Kingdom Of God Within

49:18 What We Learned Today

51:37 Closing Reflections

Tony Overbay is a licensed marriage and family therapist, betrayal trauma certified, and host of The Virtual Couch, Waking Up to Narcissism, and Love, ADHD podcasts.

If the idea of change through agency—not shame—resonates with you, explore Tony's Magnetic Marriage course at tonyoverbay.com/magnetic

Please follow Tony on Instagram @virtual.couch on Tiktok @virtualcouch on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/tonyoverbaylmft and on Substack https://thevirtualcouch.substack.com/ You can reach out to Tony through his website tonyoverbay.com or by emailing contact @ tonyoverbay.com

Your memory has been turned—and the double agent is inside your own mind. After years in a relationship with someone emotionally immature or narcissistic, the damage isn't just that they rewrite history. It's that you stop trusting your own ability to know what happened. This episode unpacks confabulation—the unconscious, real-time rewriting of memory that goes far beyond lying or gaslighting—and explains why the story keeps changing, why you can't win the memory argument, and why your gut is still your most reliable intelligence.

Tony Overbay, LMFT, walks through the neuroscience of how memory actually works, why your brain's negativity bias makes you especially vulnerable in these relationships, and what you can do when your explicit memory has been compromised but your body still knows the truth.

In this episode, you'll discover:

The critical difference between lying, gaslighting, and confabulation—and why confabulation is the most disorienting of the three

Why your implicit memory (your gut) can't be gaslit—and how to start trusting the data your nervous system is handing you

How the brain's negativity bias creates a lopsided scorecard that someone emotionally immature exploits, often without even knowing it

The "false self" vs. a healthy ego—and why confabulation is a fragile identity fighting for survival, not a calculated strategy

Real examples from therapy sessions, interrogation rooms, and faith transitions that reveal confabulation in action

As a licensed marriage and family therapist who has worked with hundreds navigating emotionally immature relationships, Tony brings both clinical precision and deep compassion to a topic that can finally help you stop questioning your sanity.

If you've been told your memory is wrong but your body keeps telling you something isn't right—this episode is your permission to trust what you feel.

00:00 Your Memory Betrays You

02:21 The Double Agent Reveal

02:54 Why You Feel Crazy

04:27 Implicit Memory Saves You

07:15 What Confabulation Means

09:59 How Narcissists Rewrite Reality

15:38 How Memory Gets Shaped

17:20 Negativity Bias And Healing

23:49 Lies Gaslighting Confabulation

26:40 Why The Story Keeps Changing

29:51 Fame Identity Collapse

31:37 Everyday Confabulation Fights

32:51 Faith Crisis Family Story

37:27 Belief Systems Double Down

39:47 Interrogation Room Patching

43:13 Politics Ego Survival

47:06 Healthy vs False Ego

50:48 Course Pitch Pillars

54:30 Final Takeaways Wrap

What happens when your greatest strengths—your empathy, your willingness to self-reflect, your sensitivity—become the very tools someone uses to convince you everything is your fault? In this crossover episode with therapist Angela De Hoyos, ALC, Tony explores why validation feels like survival when you were raised in an emotionally unpredictable home. You learned that love could vanish without warning—so you became hypervigilant, endlessly working to secure connection that was never yours to earn. Now you may find yourself starving for validation from the one person who can't hold it steadily.

You can learn more about Angela by visiting her website https://www.findingbalancecounseling.com/ and subscribe to her podcast “Finding Balance with Mental Health and Spirituality” here https://www.findingbalancecounseling.com/podcast

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:

Understand the origins of validation: why we learn we exist through others' responses—and how that wiring gets exploited

Discover why "pathologically kind" people attract emotionally immature partners—and keep trying harder when it doesn't work

Recognize the trap of "if it's my fault, I can fix it"—and why that belief keeps you chasing validation instead of building self-trust

Learn the crucial difference between validation and agreement—you can acknowledge someone's experience without abandoning your own

Build a 90% solid sense of self so you stop outsourcing your worth to people who use it against you

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

01:25 Guest Introduction: Angela de Hoyos

03:16 The Magnetic Marriage Course Pitch

06:20 Understanding Validation and Emotional Immaturity

08:15 Therapeutic Insights and Parenting Dynamics

20:46 The Concept of Co-Regulation

28:40 Exploring the Concept of Existence and Value

29:05 The Story of Jill: Unpredictable Childhood

30:33 Understanding Validation and Recognition

33:50 The Role of Self-Validation

40:59 Spiritual Perspectives on Validation

51:25 Final Thoughts and Reflections

Get on the waitlist today for Tony's upcoming Magnetic Marriage live course! Head to https://tonyoverbay.com/magnetic

If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP://www.tonyoverbay.com

If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP:www.tonyoverbay.com