In this episode, Jackie and Rachel discuss the ongoing legal situation surrounding Jodi Hidebrandt, exploring themes of accountability and the complexities of the justice system.  

They then pivot to a deeper conversation about betrayal trauma, its impact on relationships, and the process of rebuilding trust after betrayal.  They discuss the importance of personal accountability, understanding trustworthiness, and the necessity of self-trust in the healing process.  

Link to ted talk discussed in the podcast:  https://www.ted.com/talks/onora_o_neill_what_we_don_t_understand_about_trust?language=en