In Episode #38, host John Sherman talks with Maxime Fournes, Founder, Pause AI France. With the third AI “Safety” Summit coming up in Paris in February 2025, we examine France’s role in AI safety, revealing France to be among the very worst when it comes to taking AI risk seriously. How deep is madman Yan Lecun’s influence in French society and government? And would France even join an international treaty? The conversation covers the potential for international treaties on AI safety, the psychological factors influencing public perception, and the power dynamics shaping AI's future. 

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TIMESTAMPS:

**Concerns about AI Risks in France (00:00:00)**  

**Optimism in AI Solutions (00:01:15)**  

**Introduction to the Episode (00:01:51)**  

**Max Wingo's Powerful Clip (00:02:29)**  

**AI Safety Summit Context (00:04:20)**  

**Personal Journey into AI Safety (00:07:02)**  

**Commitment to AI Risk Work (00:21:33)**  

**France's AI Sacrifice (00:21:49)**  

**Impact of Efforts (00:21:54)**  

**Existential Risks and Choices (00:22:12)**  

**Underestimating Impact (00:22:25)**  

**Researching AI Risks (00:22:34)**  

**Weak Counterarguments (00:23:14)**  

**Existential Dread Theory (00:23:56)**  

**Global Awareness of AI Risks (00:24:16)**  

**France's AI Leadership Role (00:25:09)**  

**AI Policy in France (00:26:17)**  

**Influential Figures in AI (00:27:16)**  

**EU Regulation Sabotage (00:28:18)**  

**Committee's Risk Perception (00:30:24)**  

**Concerns about France's AI Development (00:32:03)**  

**International AI Treaties (00:32:36)**  

**Sabotaging AI Safety Summit (00:33:26)**  

**Quality of France's AI Report (00:34:19)**  

**Misleading Risk Analyses (00:36:06)**  

**Comparison to Historical Innovations (00:39:33)**  

**Rhetoric and Misinformation (00:40:06)**  

**Existential Fear and Rationality (00:41:08)**  

**Position of AI Leaders (00:42:38)**  

**Challenges of Volunteer Management (00:46:54)**