Dave sits down with Pat and Olympic commentator, producer, and podcast host Selema Masekela for an open and honest discussion about race and its relationship to surfing. They contrast the recent player strikes in the NBA and WNBA with surfing’s broad history of silence, discuss Selema’s experience as a black man in the surf community, and look at what surfing can start doing better.

Check out Selema's podcast "What Shapes Us" here: https://anchor.fm/what-shapes-us-podcast

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