In episode 5, Kate Carpenter interviews historian Mia Bay, author of several books and articles on African American history and co-editor of multiple collections. Dr. Bay's most recent book, Traveling Black: A Story of Race and Resistance (Harvard, 2021), has won numerous awards, including the Bancroft Prize, one of the most prestigious awards in American history writing. We talk about Dr. Bay's embrace of imperfect first drafts, the long and winding process for writing Traveling Black, and the value of good feedback and editing.