This week Gary and Jonathan are joined by long time friend of the podcast, Joe Abercrombie.  We last spoke to Joe during the pandemic when he was working on The Age of Madness series. He joins us this week to discuss his brand new novel The Devils, which launches a new series and a new set of characters.

As always, we'd like to thank Joe for making time to join us, and we hope you enjoy the episode.

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