When is the last time you played? Too many adults stopped playing a long time ago. But what if play is not frivolous and immature? What if it’s innovative and generative and interesting and delightful actually makes your life and even your work better, more fulfilling, and more fun?

Today, I’ve invited my friend Dave Bindewald to join me. He runs the Center for Play and Exploration, and he’ll tell us about the work he does around curiosity, divergent thinking, and the freedom to fail.

If you would like to learn more about Dave’s work at the Center for Play and Exploration, you can find his website here.

Send in your questions and delights to [email protected].

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Thanks to Dave, and to my editor, Belle Battista.

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