Experiential Anatomy

Listen in to the sounds of freezing, crunching rain as Joan reflects on the dying systems in healthcare and the new limits her body has set, while Jamie shares her new motivation to run and the importance of trusting our bodies.

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In today’s episode, Joan and Jamie discuss the death of modernity and its large-scale systems. From mass co-dependence to the need to control others, they discuss the various structures of society that are slowly dying. On the practical level, they recount stories from personal experience of the various changes they see happening within the modern healthcare system. And they circle back to their Season 1 theme that will inspire us toward an embodied future.

Be sure to check out the book they referenced, “Hospicing Modernity” by Vanessa Machado de Oliveira.

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Listen in as Jamie and Joan share vulnerable moments from each of their families’ recent losses.

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Today we have our first guest, Caroline Lee, who joins Jamie and Joan to discuss death doulas. Caroline offers a brief overview of her Bay Area practice and how she got started in this unique line of work. Similar to giving birth, Caroline describes the routine steps that precede death and her role as a doula in making those transitions as smooth as possible for her patients and their families. She also shares the ethereal aspects that oftentimes accompany someone’s passing. And Jamie asks Joan and Caroline to recount how their bodies feel when they care for a dying body. For such a weighty subject, their answers may be a bit surprising!

You can find out more about Caroline by emailing or following her on social media: @howcarolinecarolines, @death.ed_, TikTok, and [email protected]. Be sure to check out the hospice booklet by Barbara Karnes and the documentary, “The Last Ecstatic Days,” about Ethan Sisser.

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Listen in these voice memos to hear a sweet conversation between Joan and her child, along with several of Jamie’s recent experiences around death.

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We’re back! Join our hosts, Jamie and Joan, as we dive into Season 2’s overarching theme of death. These two bring their easy laughter and levity to a heavy subject as they share their vision for this season. Discussing why death matters, they touch on the inextricable link between death and rebirth, and the unavoidable pain that accompanies us all on this journey of life. We’ll get a sneak peek at future guests and hear a bit about what our hosts have been up to in the off-season.

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Listen in as Jamie shares her feelings on wrapping up Season 1 and Joan describes her much-anticipated concert experience!

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Our season wraps today with our hosts talking about their understanding of death and how it affects our relationships with both our loved ones and our bodies. Joan and Jamie’s perspectives complement each other in unexpected ways as they both share how they have processed the concept of death and dying. Despite the weighty topic, the ladies bring their usual levity and brightness and tease us with what’s in store next!

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Listen in as Jamie shares the joy of feeling settled in while Joan’s family takes on Florida! Be sure to check out Jamie’s workshop, Log Off & Tune In, on SATURDAY, DECEMBER 14th at 2 PM CST.

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Today our hosts explore the principle of our bodies being committed to wholeness and vitality and the powerful impact this belief can have on everything–from each individual to our collective structural systems. Joan shares about her lifelong anxiety and how a shift towards this perspective changed how she experienced anxiousness, both in and out of patient rooms. And Jamie dives deeper into what it means to live a life that feels good and how it’s each of our birthrights to do so.

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