This week we chat with Gary George - a long time friend and a practising Shaman- much to his own suprise!!

Gary - known as Grey Wolf - will talk about his Journey to this new world - and will talk about what he does as a Shaman - and what that means.

And perhaps we will get him to do a little drumming at the end of the show!!

Quote from Gary Why me? Some days I wonder why this gift was given to me. I didn't understand. I didn't ask for it. There is nothing special about me, I am just an ordinary guy. But yet, it still came. It took several years to make peace with it all and to understand what my gift was.