In this special rebroadcast, Jim Wallis sits down with Rev. Rob Schenck, longtime evangelical leader and president of the Dietrich Bonhoeffer Institute, to examine the complex relationship between white evangelicals, the Trump administration, and the rise of Christian nationalism. Schenck reflects on his personal journey, the moral crossroads facing the evangelical community, and how faith is being weaponized in politics today.

With contemporary policies—from threats to democracy and voting rights to the erosion of church-state separation—echoing the ethical concerns raised in this 2020 interview, Schenck’s warnings about Christian nationalism and the Faustian bargain for power are more urgent than ever. Listen as they explore a way forward rooted in repentance, true discipleship, and love for the “least of these.”

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