The guest for this episode has been requested many times over the years, and at the 2024 NAFA meet, I was able to carve out some time with Steve Layman in between hunting and workshops! Some of the things Steve and I discussed included research on aspergillosis treatment, his philosophy of falconry being a natural history sport more than even a hunting sport, and of course, some of the stories and experiences he has revolving around operant conditioning, some of which were quite amusing! This episode was a long time in the making, and I hope that it was worth the wait for those who requested it over the years!

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