What if pain isn’t something to fix or escape—but a wise, living presence asking for our attention?

In this episode, Jennifer sits down with writer and therapist Lisa Olivera for a heartfelt conversation about relating to pain as a wise teacher, rather than an adversary. Drawing from Lisa’s personal journey—shaped by early experiences with a culture that teaches us to avoid pain—they explore:

• The social narratives that keep us from feeling fully
• The role of somatic practice in understanding our body’s intelligence
• What it means to approach suffering with reverence 
• The slow, courageous path toward collective belonging

This episode invites you to deepen your fluency with feeling —in your body, the mystery of life and one another.  

Links & Resources:

• Learn more about Lisa’s therapeutic and written work
• Sign up for Human Stuff, Lisa’s Substack
• Get Already Enough, Lisa Olivera’s first book
• Receive Jennifer’s biweekly newsletter 
• Connect with Jennifer on Instagram or LinkedIn

Gratitude for this show’s theme song Inside the House, composed by the talented Yukon musician, multi-instrumentalist and sound artist Jordy Walker. Artwork by the imaginative writer, filmmaker and artist Jon Marro.