Don and Ben talk about a self-inflicted hockey injury that Ben is dealing with that is causing him to lean differently. They also talk emails; raw milk and Listeria (and pasteurized milk and Listeria); biases and scientists looking at the same data and arriving at different conclusions. The conversation moves to famous microbiologists birthdays and a massive, tragic, outbreak of Listeria in South Africa. The show ends on Canadian satire and the Conference for Food Protection.