Forensic Friday

How can a death be ruled a suicide when the evidence points to a crime? This week, we investigate the perplexing case of Ellen Greenberg. We detail the bizarre elements of the scene—the locked apartment and the nature of her injuries—that have led many to question the official ruling. We pay close attention to the irregularities in the medical examiner's findings and the subsequent legal battles over her changing cause of death. Finally, we delve into the surrounding details, including the controversial background of her fiancé and the alleged toxic family dynamic that may have contributed to her distress and ultimate demise.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Welcome back Forensic Friends. In this episode, we share a story from one of the amazing people we met at CrimeCon, Wilveria Sanders. She shared the story of her brother, Shelton Sanders, who went missing in 2001 in South Carolina and is presumed murdered. We wanted to pass it along to our forensic friends and ask for your help. If you have any information about the case, the suspect, or anything to help this grieving family find closure, please let us or the Sumter County, SC sheriffs office know.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In this special episode we welcome back our forensic friend Sandie Campinella to help give us a peek behind the curtain from law enforcement dealing with domestic violence calls. She tells us about primary vs predominant aggressors and how LEOs are trained to tell the difference. We also talk about some example cases from her history, why strangulation victims often come across as the aggressor after the fact, and why she's the worst personal assistant for a nun. 

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

We welcome our good friend Sandie Campanella to the pod to tell us about her journey from the army in a divided Berlin, to waitressing, to law enforcement, to becoming one of the best voices for positive change in Colorado law enforcement and the handling of domestic violence calls. Bring a shooter of butterscotch 99 and, pre-emptively: Sorry Tina!

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

The disappearance of Susan Powell and the subsequent deaths of her two children shocked the nation. This episode is a deep dive into the perpetrator, her husband Josh Powell, and the psychological and behavioral traits of a family annihilator. We discuss the documented history of coercive control and abuse in the Powell home and the tragic conclusion of this case. The most important part of our conversation is a frank and necessary discussion on domestic violence and safety, including resources and guidance on how to protect yourself and others from a dangerous partner and create a plan for escape.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In a world where you're always told to 'be aware,' we're going a step further: we’re teaching you how to walk with purpose. We dive into the psychology behind the 1980 gait study, where inmates were asked to rate the vulnerability of people walking on the street. We'll reveal the key differences in how victims and non-victims carry themselves and discuss how our personal histories—what we call embodied trauma—can affect our body language. Finally, we give you the most memorable takeaway: why you should walk like a trucker to project confidence and deter predators.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Hey y'all. This week has felt really heavy on our hearts. We know it has for you too. We discuss the death of Charlie Kirk, the train murder, and the shooting right here in Colorado. Lets take some time to talk through our grief together and see if we can't find some community and some hope.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

We are so, so grateful to all of our forensic friends old and new who came out to see us atCrimeCon. We're doing our best to rest and recuperate, but wanted to give a quick recap and shout out some highlights from the awesome sessions we attended and the amazing people we met. Thanks y'all, and see you at the next one!

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

A special thank you to all our crimecon listeners from producer G. Some of the unhinged nonsense normally left on the cutting room floor. Enjoy!

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

People will really sleep with their best friends spouse and then kill the friend and marry the spouse instead of going to therapy. In this special CrimeCon 2025 episode we talk about the documentary Mr and Mrs Murder and ask the big questions: What would these wild couples have looked like in couples counseling? Would it have prevented the tragic ending they came to? And what was Blythe's deal? Join us for thought experiments, couples counseling tools, and psychological profiling (allegedly) of the perpetrators.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.