Join us in this special episode of Two Guys and a Chainsaw where we pay tribute to the talented Lar Park Lincoln, the star of ‘Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood’.

We’ve been eager to cover this film for months, and it’s finally here just after our last tribute episode. We delve into the behind-the-scenes stories, the challenges faced by the production team, the unique aspects of this installment, and why we think this is one of the best entries in the franchise.

Tune in to hear our thoughts, some fun trivia, and our heartfelt remembrance of Lar Park Lincoln’s contributions to the horror genre. Don’t miss this engaging and nostalgic discussion!

Episode #447, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw Horror Movie Review Podcast

Todd: Hello and welcome to another episode of Two Guys and a Chainsaw. I’m Todd.

Craig: And I’m Craig.

Todd: Well, here we are fresh on the heels of another tribute episode. We’re doing another tribute episode this week. This one we’ve wanted to do for a couple months now. La Park Lincoln, the, uh, star of Friday, the 13th, part seven, the New Blood. Also one of our favorites, house two she was in.

Craig: Yeah, 

Todd: we’ve already done on this. I like the idea that we could do another Friday, the 13th episode because Me Too, we don’t have. Enough excuses to dip into this, this series. 

Craig: This is the best one. Yeah

Todd: You like this one? Huh? 

Craig: Craig is dying behind you. Are they all right? There’s a frog. I think it’s the sound of a frog.

Todd: That’s hilarious. It sounded like someone was dying. It’s like this. We, we were freaking out about it the other day. I’m in a bungalow in Cambodia right now in CM Reap. We’re gonna be visiting Ancor Watt tomorrow and a whole bunch of temples including the Tomb Raider temple that was featured in the Laura Croft Tomb Raider movie a while ago.

It’s gonna be a busy day for us, and I’m here with the family and I’m awesome. We’re recording in the bathroom, so you’re gonna hear frogs. Just bear with me, please. It’s all good. But yeah, it, I do feel like I’m in the Friday, the 13th movie, to be honest. Now that you think about it, I’m in a bungalow that’s on stilts, but it’s in a nice little resort, but it, it feels very summer, campy.

It’s, it’s quite nice. So I’m in the spirit to talk about this movie because you know how I feel. About Friday, the 13th series. Yeah. I wanna like it so bad and I actually even every now and then think, you know, I think I’m in the mood. I’m gonna put on a Friday, the Friday the 13th movie, one of ’em, and then I’ll kind of get into it and I’ll get maybe about.

Halfway through it and I’ll be like, oh, now I know why. I don’t really care for these movies. They’re all so the same. Mm-hmm. And some of them are really pretty terrible. If I remember correctly, the one that was two before this, so this is part seven. Yeah, six five. So part five when I was going through one Halloween and I was like, I’m gonna just gonna binge the series.

I’m gonna like watch one a night. I think I got as far as eight and I was like, I can’t even do this anymore. And I think it was part five that started to turn me part five was so weird. It just felt strange. Like it was shot on video. Everything about it was just a little off. Do you know what I’m talking about?

Part five? 

Craig: Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Gosh, I, I get confused as to how many there are, but there was one, it was probably five, I don’t remember, but there was one that went really goofy. Yeah. Like silly, silly, silly characters. I mean, it wasn’t straight up comedy or anything, but. The characters were silly. Yeah, it’s, I don’t know.

Todd: That was it. 

Craig: I get what you’re saying.

Todd: Well, my understanding is that nobody liked it. The studio kind of hated it and, and the producer hated it. Sean Cunningham, whatever, and Frank Man Mancuso Jr. Who was kind of the guy who’s been, you know, spearheading this whole franchise. Undercover, you know, ’cause they do these like non-union pictures.

The paramount ends up distributing all of it feels very sleazy when you get back into the backstory behind these movies. And if you read Camp Crystal Lake Memories, it is eyeopening how these things came into being. It is utterly fascinating. There were drugs on the set all the time and bad conditions and.

It really just depended on who the director was at the time. And these were all shot on the cheap, but then like released by a big studio in the theater, so, so you know, it’s just weird. The whole series is even weirder when you get into the backstory. The reason I’m going into that is because I think this movie and the one just before it were really their attempt.

To put a little bit more money into this because Freddy was eating their lunch. Yeah, the, I think the, the one before this didn’t do quite as well as they thought, but it still did make money, so they just felt forced to make another one, and they pumped even more money into this one, thinking that if we get a good director behind it, if we put a bigger budget into it.

And a novel and interesting script. Then maybe we can do the Freddie thing. They were, I think they were also kind of waiting around too, right? Hoping that new line would agree to loan them Freddie so that they could come together on a Freddie versus Jason, but that never. Materialized at that time, and so they just kind of made this one, and I don’t know, man, I, I think it’s one of the better ones.

I, I agree with you that you say it’s your favorite. You said Jason X was your favorite. I know. So now you’re changing, you gotta explain that. What’s with the change of gears, I. 

Craig: Gosh, there, there, I mean, there’s so much, and you’re right. You should check out that book, crystal Lake Memories, is that what it’s called?

Yeah. Yeah. You should check out that book. I haven’t read the book, but I’ve watched the documentary and I rewatched the segment of the documentary that it was about this one, but I. Not the rest of it. ’cause it’s like, I don’t know, five hours long or something. Yeah. And, and it’s great. You, you should watch it.

It’s, it’s fantastic. But yeah, I mean, we talk about these things all the time, but it was an entirely different culture. The reason that this franchise could continue was because there were only a couple of lanes. You could see things in the theater. Or you could see things that went direct to video or you could see things that aired on television.

Those were the three outlets. Yeah. Now there are a bazillion gajillion outlets. You can watch things everywhere. So I don’t think that Jason would’ve survived. No. In. Our time today. Absolutely not. He’s, he’s not interesting enough. No. At the time we were excited to see Jason again. Yay. It’s Jason. It’s somebody we know.

He is doing exactly what we thought he would do. Yeah. And then eventually, I don’t think that they were wrong for leaning into the ridiculous humor of it. Like it turned into, I think in four, like you said, kind of, oh, we’re honky backwoods diner folk, and let’s have Jason come and slash us up. That’s funny.

Okay. Whatever. But. I think it was four that introduced Tommy Jarvis. Yeah. And it was supposed to be the last one. Well, and then there was another one and that was Cory Feldman, I think the original Tommy Jarvis. Yes. And then there was another one where it wasn’t even Jason at all. It was like an imposter, like a copycat killer 

Todd: That was five.

Yeah. With all the kids at a halfway house or something for a bunch of weird kids. Right. 

Craig: I don’t even 

Todd: remember. But then they, that’s one that feels off. Yeah, part five. 

Craig: I, I remember nothing about that one. Like, I don’t, maybe I’ve protested it. I remember too much 

Todd: about it. It really made it a, a, a strong negative impression on me because I can’t explain it.

And maybe we, we should maybe stop talking about it. Maybe we should just do it. At some point because it just felt sleazy to me and I can’t explain why. It’s not like there was a whole bunch of sex in it. I don’t think there was just something about it that felt sleazy. 

Craig: I don’t know. I almost feel like when they play marathons of these movies, they don’t even play that one.

Like I feel like I’ve never seen it. I don’t 

Todd: even know what happens in that one. I remember when six came out. Because when six came out, it was right before this. It was Jason Lives, and I remember there being a huge marketing push behind it when I was a kid, I think it was around the same time the Dream Master was coming out, so it was like.

The Dream Master and Jason lives and Jason lives. Doesn’t electricity like hit his grave? ’cause Tommy Jarvis tries to dig him up. 

Craig: Yes, yes. They bring Tommy Jarvis back as an adult and he is like, I have to go to Jason’s grave. Why? I don’t know. Make sure he’s there. Right. And then he shove like a giant.

Lightning rod in him. And then Jason gets struck by lightning and it’s not even off topic that we’re talking about all of this because we see all of this in the first, yes. Three minutes of this movie. It catches us up like it gives us an entire catch up narrated by crazy Ralph Walt. Gorney was the actor who played crazy Ralph in the first couple of movies at least.

And I love the crazy Ralph character, but he tells us all through this, and I feel like the whole point of doing this is to remind us that at one point Jason was a. Kid and a guy that went around killing people. But just to remind you, at this point, he’s an undead. Zombie. Yeah. 

Todd: Don’t forget about that.

That’s what six did. Six made him me. Undead. Zombie. That was the big. They were like, all right, we’re just gonna have to like make him an unstoppable, supernatural creature because we can’t go on futzing around trying to figure out ways of keeping the franchise going. I think at one point in the franchise, they were even considering doing what John Carpenter wanted to do with Halloween, where they were just gonna make like Friday the 13th was gonna just be the title.

They were just gonna do different movies that didn’t necessarily focus on Jason or even a killer. It was just like a twilight zombie type. Well, they did a series, they did a TV series that was Oh, yeah. They, they did that. But I mean, they were, they had that idea for the movies at one point and because they were just like, we can’t keep doing this because, uh, part five was just.

You’re so weird. You can keep doing it. 

Craig: Yep. Can keep 

Todd: doing it. I’m so mad. Once 

Craig: you make him an 

Todd: undead 

Craig: zombie, you can. Yeah. How, how are you going to make 12? Friday the 13th movies come the fuck on. You guys figure this shit out. Like there has to be a Friday the 13th, 13. Like, come on, what is wrong with you?

Come on. 

Todd: Oh God. Well here we are, part seven, the New Blood. John Buckler, who we just finished talking about, directed it. 

Craig: I couldn’t believe again that he was the same guy who directed Troll one of my favorite movies. See you guys. I was right. I.

Todd: Yeah. You still haven’t explained why you like this one. That was my original question. Why did you suddenly and so quickly? ’cause it has not been that long ago. We talked about JX. Yeah. And you insisted. Oh no, that’s the best 

Craig: one. The reason that I like JX was because it took it somewhere else like. Yes, please.

Let’s go somewhere else. Let’s stay with Jason, but let’s go somewhere else. That’s great. This one does the same thing and I think it does it better. The other one was just fresh in my mind. You know, these folks, I, I watched all this stuff, but. Full disclosure, we were supposed to record this a week ago, so it’s been a week since I’ve done my research, and it may be a little fuzzy, but the director or or writer or whoever, let’s do Carrie versus Jason.

Yes. Yeah. How? Let’s do that. That sounds fantastic. It does. And that’s what it is. And it picks up right where the last one kind of leaves off, like in the last one, Tommy Jarvis like puts a bunch of chains around Jason and chains him to a big boulder and sinks him to the bottom of Crystal Lake, and he’s just down there like, Ugh, that’s so creepy.

Like, yeah, I like to swim in lakes. I don’t wanna just. Bump into rush up against Jason. 

Todd: He’s not down there that deep is he? He doesn’t Sure Ms. Monkey’s down there that deep. 

Craig: Right. Okay. And so then in this movie, we’re introduced to this young girl. Her parents are fighting. They’re in a cabin at the lake, that same cabin as her parents are fighting.

She runs down and is so angry, I guess, that her telekinesis. Brings Jason back to life. I don’t even remember how this happens. Yeah, it’s just, um, I’m still not, I’m still not answering the question. Not yet. I I’m gonna try to, I’m gonna try to answer it quickly, but I, I do wanna talk about the movie. The reason I like it is because I think there are, there’s a litany of reasons.

It goes in a somewhat different direction that I really enjoy and I think plays out really well. And I wish that they had continued further into the franchise in some way. This idea, it, it, it is like Dream Warriors. It’s, it’s giving these kids an. Some advantage that they’ve never had before. Yeah, and I appreciate that.

I think that it’s very well acted and I wanna talk about Lar Park. Lar Park Lincoln. It’s Kane Hotter who I think is the best, Jason. And I think that the, that this is his best performance is Jason. This is the Friday of the 13th movie that Jason is in the most. Okay. That’s it. That’s 

Todd: my list. Especially the end.

I mean, the whole finale sequence is the best I have to admit. And you see his face eventually? Yep. Maybe some people don’t actually like that. I think that was controversial at the studio as well. Like when they were like, wait a minute, maybe we want to, you know, you take away a bit of the mystery when you take his mask off.

But even when his mask is on, I mean, the director had some good ideas here. You can tell he is an effects guy. They’ve got Jason, part of his mask is kind of broken and so you can see his jaw. In there. Ugh, 

Craig: I It looks so fantastic. It looks great. This is my favorite Jason. Yeah. Even better than Jason X.

Even better than Uber. Jason. Like it’s so, I have that in bold in my notes. I love that. I can see part of his jaw through the mask and that the mask. And for the most part, I mean, he is a zombie now, but for the most part, his wounds and the, the fractures and the mask are consistent with the previous movies.

Todd: It’s great. Yeah, he was real clear to make sure that was the case. Even when you take the mask off, like the, the cuts and stuff in his face are supposed to be consistent. I think his eye gets poked in one of the movies and, and he makes sure that his left eye is. Is not visible or is is, is out. Actually, Kane hotter was like, it was the worst he said, of all of the costumes.

This was the worst one because. He had to actually wear this sort of face underneath the mask. So you’ve got this like outer layer, so your vision is, is like two little tunnels. And then he only had one tunnel because he, they had to put black nylon or whatever over the other eye so you couldn’t see it.

So he’s like, he’s really, he is looking outta one eye down this very narrow tunnel while he’s performing, but, uh, gave it his all. I agree with you on the performance that he does feel. More interesting. 

Craig: Yes. 

Todd: As interesting 

Craig: as a guy can ex That’s exactly right. As interesting as he can. I, I haven’t watched the, you know, other cane hotter Friday the 13th movies, so I, I don’t have, I mean I have watched them, but not recently, so I don’t have anything to base comparison on, but I just kept, and I’m sure this is direction and cinematography too, like there are a lot of closeups on his face and he is clearly.

Aware. Yeah. And, and conscious and thinking this is, this is a, an entity that is reacting to things. I feel like in most of the movies, he’s just a hulking force. He’s not, yeah. I can see if not humanity, I can at least see consciousness. This Jason and I really, really liked it. Yeah, I really like his performance in this, so, okay, so I, I screwed it up.

The, the first scene is young. Tina and her parents are fighting and she rose out in a boat and her dad comes chasing after her and she’s like, no, I hate you. I wish you were dead. And the deck or whatever falls on him. And apparently he does die. Yeah. Right there where Jason is and 

Todd: already it’s got a higher production value than most of the previous movies.

Right. This whole deck sequence is really impressive. Yeah. Comparative, you know. To the other movies. Yeah. In fact, I almost, I thought the stuntman almost got his, I mean, that was a dangerous stunt. That whole top of that thing comes crashing down on it. Yeah, 

Craig: it’s a big doc. Yeah, a big covered doc. And it does, I, I feel like I saw La Park Lincoln say something about it, or maybe it was the younger actress that they filmed it several times.

I can’t imagine how you would reconstruct that. I, I don’t know. Anyway, so she killed her dad and now she’s coming back. To the cabin because she is under psychiatric evaluation by Bernie Terry Kaiser, Dr. Cruz, Terry Kaiser from weekend at Bernie’s and Tammy and the T-Rex. 

Clip: Mm-hmm. 

Craig: Yes. 

Clip: You’re not trying, Tina.

Yes, I am. Think about it moving and make it move. I can’t. I told you. I don’t know how it happens. Sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn’t happen and you’re lying to me. You are lying because it happens when your emotions are at their peak. Come on, you’re holding back, concentrate, concentrate Dina, 

Craig: and she’s coming back.

I don’t know, like it turns out that Dr. Cruz is really just using her like. I don’t know. He wants to write a book. Basically. He’s basically Dr. Phil or any of the other unscrupulous people that you can imagine that capitalize on people’s problems, right? Um, that’s what he’s doing. But they come back and they come back, they come back to the same cabin, and it just so happens that the cabin next door is inhabited by a bevy of horny 20 year olds.

Stereotypes. 

Todd: Yes. Horny 20-year-old 

Craig: stereotypes and they are having a party and they’re, I feel like there are like 12 of them. There are so many. There’s so many. 

Todd: I don’t know who they all are. I didn’t remember their names. 

Craig: I wrote them down and I wrote down what their hairstyles were, so I could try to remember, but it doesn’t matter, you know, immediately, oh, here’s the cabin of fodder.

Like these are the 

Todd: yes, 

Craig: the kids that Jason is going to kill off, and he does. All of them.

And it’s fun. Like I, I don’t know the first night that she’s there, Tina goes out to the dock for some reason. I don’t know, like she’s mad at Dr. Cruise or something and I feel like she’s standing on the dock and it seems like she feels like she senses her dad, but it’s really Jason. Mm. And she’s like, oh, I wish you would come back to life.

Yes. So Ja. So he does. 

Todd: Yeah, that’s basically it. Now she’s great. I, I like her in this movie. I like, she has a sense of vulnerability. God, she just, she’s almost channeling a weaker version of, what’s her name in the Nightmare in Elm Street Dream Warriors. I feel 

Craig: Kristen. 

Todd: Yeah. Like a less confident, less badass version of her.

You know what I mean? I 

Craig: do know what you mean, but I feel like. Uh, they’re very, very similar. Yeah. Like in that they don’t understand their powers. In fact, they almost see them as a burden. But when they learn to utilize them, then they are very powerful and then they, they kind of come into their power.

They do like at the end, 

Todd: right? But like most Friday, the 13th movies, nobody really does anything until the last, you know, 10 minutes. No. They’re all just getting hacked to pieces. And like I said earlier, the thing that kind of made me realize as I was watching this, I was like, Ugh, yeah, this is why I don’t like these movies is, and, and I don’t know if it’s a problem with all of them.

I feel like in the first couple movies at least, there was a some sense of suspense. Sure. And this movie, it just feels like he just pops up on screen. And there’s only one scene in this movie that I felt actual suspense, and that was the nerdy girl in the, when she goes out to the shed. She’s crawling under the, oh, yeah.

Yeah. I liked that scene. That was a great scene. That whole scene was really great. It was really well constructed, and it felt almost out of place in this movie because there was not another scene like it. 

Craig: I don’t know. I mean, I, I thought the kills were good in this movie. Actually, 

Todd: I, the kills were fine.

It was just like, you know, a kid turns around and Jason’s suddenly there. I didn’t feel like there was a lot of stalking 

Craig: sometimes. Sometimes it’s because he had so many people to kill. I think he had. Well, like I think there are more people to kill in this movie than in a lot of the other ones. It’s true.

And so, yeah, some of them he’s just, you know, taken the machete too, or God, there are so many. Yeah, there are so many. And there are some that are so good. Like there are iconic. Kills in this movie. Yeah. There, I think this is the first time we get the Sleeping bag kill, which is iconic and it’s, yeah, it’s fantastic.

In this movie, there are so many things that I wanna talk about. I mean, you can watch the movie, you can see the Kills, and I hope we talk. About them along the way, but there are so many things that I learned after watching it and reading about it that I just think are so interesting that you might not get from just watching it.

I, I love that people call this Fry gay, the 13th. The actors. Yeah, 

Todd: because everybody on this movie was gay and. And they were having a, apparently they were having a blast behind the scenes too. I think. Lar Park. I bet 

Craig: they were. 

Todd: Lar Park Lincoln herself said that like she was, there was a quote from her in Crystal Lake Memories where she was talking about how cold it was outside.

She’s like. It was so cold, they had to put ice cubes in their mouths just to make sure you wouldn’t see us breathing. And I sucked on a lot of ice, although that’s the only thing I sucked on. Apparently other people did more than that. 

Craig: Oh my God, that’s so funny. Yeah. Oh, I bet they were, you know, in their twenties and hot.

Like, yeah. Get it. They’re all good looking. Everybody in this movie’s good looking. The, the main lead guy was gay. The. Token black guy was gay. LAR Park, Lincoln’s mom was gay. Just gay. Gay, gay. That’s that’s funny to me. And I, I would’ve never known, like, no, I didn’t think that the chemistry between the lead guy and LAR Park Lincoln was.

Anything less than any other movie like this that I have ever seen. No, and they were fine. And he’s a fine actor. I don’t know how deep into the trivia you went, but like he was from Days of Our Lives. There’s a lot of soap opera people in here. He was Dr. Craig Wesley on Days of Our Lives, and he was hot, hot, hot on that show too.

My favorite thing about him on that show, and I didn’t know he was gay at the time, but my favorite thing about him on that show was he was kind of like, he was a doctor, but he was also kind of like shady and villainous, and he was kind of in this like villainous partnership with his wife, who, her name was Nancy, and I wish I had looked up the actress because you would totally recognize her.

She kind of reminds me of the secretary from Ferris Bueller’s day off and that she’s shorter. And not a lean woman, but like red hair and cute. And my favorite thing about that show was like he was this big, hunky, hunky guy and she was adorable, like super cute and pretty, but she was not like a soap opera type of woman.

And they were all over each other. Like they, like, he just could not keep his hands off her like, ugh. I love that. And then one of the first women who gets killed, I don’t know, she’s the girlfriend of the guy whose birthday party it’s supposed to be. Mm-hmm. Before they even get there, she gets killed by Jason.

She gets like a screwdriver, like a something through the top of her head and then she gets impaled against a tree through her neck. Yeah. And it’s like hanging from the tree. I don’t remember her name either, but she played Isabella on Days of our Lives. Okay. And Isabella was super sweet and cute and like she was great and everybody loved her.

And then she died of cancer. And then the last time that I ever, I haven’t watched Days of Our Lives in like 10 years, but I still. Remember it fondly. The last time that I saw Isabella was when Mar, I know that there are people who listen to this podcast who, because they message me and they appreciate it when I talk about days of our lives.

So that’s why I’m doing it. The last time that I saw. Isabella was when Marlena was possessed and she was trying to trick somebody. So the demon appeared as Isabella to try to trick somebody and then it turned back into a demon. Ah, God. Also, uh, RIP Drake, oh God, I can’t think of his name. He played John Black on Days of Our Lives for like 30 years.

Drake Hodges. Drake, Hodgkins, something like that. He recently passed. RIP. Sorry. 

Todd: It’s all right. You should start another podcast of Days of Our Lives. I think you could, you could do well with this and you could put it in the intersection of horror because it, we have talked so much about. A lot of these people just came from soap operas.

’cause it was an easy avenue into movies. I think for those actors as well. Vice It’s work. Yeah, it’s work. You know, and, and it’s low key work. Like maybe they don’t really wanna, like back then you could believe that you would be in a horror movie, even a big S horror movie like this. And still like, your reputation wouldn’t be sli because nobody, no.

Nobody who mattered would see it anyway, you know. Oh my gosh. 

Craig: I, I don’t even think it’s that at all. I don’t think there’s any shame in it at all. It’s work. You get your foot in the door. Well, for some people it was so many people. Well, Sarah, Sarah, Michelle Geller, well, Jesse from full house, like it changed gahar.

It changed. Huge, huge stars have come 

Todd: out of daytime. Yeah. Horror came to be cool in the nineties, but like back in the eighties and the seventies, a lot of actors were a little nervous. They were about as nervous about doing a horror movie as they might be, you know, nervous about doing a nude scene. You know, they weren’t quite sure how it would affect their career.

Craig: Oh, I thought you were still talking about daytime. I thought you were talking about soaps and stuff. Oh, no, no, not at all. But, but, but. No, like tons, tons of huge, huge stars got their start in daytime. And same thing with horror. I get what you’re saying. It may at, at one point in time have been seen as lesser than some things, but you know the number of people that we’ve seen, I mean, just off the top of my head.

George Clooney, Matthew McConaughey, Renee Zellweger, Demi Moore, Brad Pitt. Yeah. Bazillions of huge, huge people took little roles in horror films because it’s work. 

Todd: Jennifer Aniston. Yeah. Yes. Right, right. Yeah. All. I wanna shout out, since we’re shouting out to actors, this isn’t, uh, soap opera related, but Heidi Kza, who played Sandra, who I thought was one of the more charming faces in here, I can’t really say my favorite character because I thought they’re all kind of cardboard cutouts, but I, I like watching her.

She was in slumber Party Massacre two. The year before this and the year after this, she was Shauna in society, which is one of our favorite films. Weird, weird movies. And, and she didn’t, you know, she had that face that I thought, oh yeah, I saw her in a ton of stuff. No, she really hasn’t done a ton of stuff.

She was like a guest on a bunch of TV series I watched like once. She was in those three movies and then just like a handful of TV things and then pretty much nothing. It’s so weird ’cause her face looks so familiar. I don’t even remember her. Which one was she? I don’t know how to describe her. I, I didn’t take notes, so I can’t remember exactly.

Was 

Craig: she, was she one, was she one of the 20 somethings? 

Todd: Yeah, she was one of the forgettable ones. I don’t remember how she died and I feel bad about that. Yeah, there’s a lot. I mean, I, there’s a lot of death. In this, they all have to die. 

Craig: Yeah, there is. And gosh, I don’t even know necessarily where to go with it.

I mean, Tina, the, the guy, the main guy Nick, is immediately, as soon as he sees her, he is interested in her. And there’s a, a girl, a dumb blonde girl. I don’t remember her name either. Oh, it’s so frustrating. Is that Kate? No, Melissa. Melissa. The. Snobby one. Yeah, she’s the bitchy blonde hot bitch that you’re supposed to not like because you know, she’s just messing with the boys to get attention and take attention away from other people.

And she’s just a bitch to the other girls. And she 

Todd: didn’t play much. She did this, she did two other movies and a a couple episodes of Charles in charge and that was it. 

Craig: One of my favorite. Deaths, I think from any of the movies is when there just happened to be a couple of 20 somethings, I guess, camping in the forest.

I don’t know what Jason is doing. He, he makes his way out of the water and then he just starts killing people. Yeah. And there just happened to be a lot of people around, so I, I don’t know that he has any particular objective. He is just going around killing people. I don’t think 

Todd: he does. I think he’s just a, a force of nature.

It’s just all he is like, who was it? One of the directors said something about how they figured Jason was just a guy who was too stupid to know he was dead. Something like that. 

Craig: I don’t know. Like, and it used to be like, it used to be like horny teenagers and doing drugs or whatever. Like these actors are clearly in their twenties at least.

Yeah. Like leave them alone. Like that’s what you’re supposed to do in your, your 

Todd: let them have. 

Craig: Sex and do drugs. They’re in their twenties now. You’re It’s loud. Yeah. Gosh. But there’s this couple in a tent and I think they like are making out or whatever, but then the guy’s like, I have to go pee or something.

And he goes out and I think he gets killed. And then Jason is like stalking around the tent and she’s in there. Tits out and she’s like, come get me a big hunk of man. And his machete like cuts through the tent and he stuffs her down into the sleeping bag and drags her out and then smashes her against the tree.

Oh, now 

Todd: I forgot about that. And then Liz was watching this with me and she had never seen it and she gasped at that and I was like, yeah, that is probably for some reason, one of the most brutal kills. In the whole series. It’s very brutal when they originally shot at you, but he was like whacking him against the tree like three or four times and they had to keep cutting one out and cutting one out and cutting one out.

Until like finally MPA, just let them have one. Also, apparently, MPAA was an absolute nightmare deliberately targeting these movies, and that was another reason why I didn’t really care for this one either, is I was like, man, there’s like no blood. Like the one thing that you might get out of this, it’s like some fun kills with some good gore effects.

There’s almost nothing for gore effects. They shot it all. That’s 

Craig: funny. But it’s, it’s been almost a week since I’ve seen it, but I remember it being brutal. Maybe it’s just because of the number of kills, because there are so many, but I know what you’re talking about because I know that there are, you can find some, not cuts, but you can find like deleted scenes and, and stuff online and it was.

Far, far 

Todd: gorier, man, the movie, they, they show some aftermath but not even that much, you know, in the hole. Like when she runs through and she finds all the bodies one at a time. There’s this great bit where Jason comes stepping out of the forest. I dunno where he gets it from, right? But he is got that buzz saw.

The end of a pole. It’s like a brush cutter or something. Yes. You just see that and the shot is so good. It’s like up. At him and that’s coming right at you with the camera. And I’m like, oh, that is so crazy badass. And then he like pokes it at her. You see like a split second of it cutting into her shirt and then it cuts away.

Yeah. Are you kidding me again? Now that we have the internet, we have IMDB, we can go into the history of these things and we can learn that. Yeah, there was AC and we can go and see. The cut stuff. Some of it. Yeah, some of it anyway. But like, you know, if I had seen this in the theater and if I had been old enough to go see this in the theater and this is what I was coming there for, I would’ve been so disappointed.

And apparently the director was too, he was like irritated. They were all irritated that the MPA targeted them so much because they felt like they were trying to give the fans what they wanted. Yes, of course. And the MPAA is thwarting them in every turn. I mean, it’s the whole point of making these movies right.

Oh, 

Craig: it is frustrating. And, and, uh, again, I, you know, I’ve said it a bazillion times. I’m glad that there are so many avenues for filmmakers these days where they can just bypass that. 

Craig (2): Mm-hmm. 

Craig: Like, uh, you know, terrify, you don’t wanna deal. Yeah. You don’t wanna deal with the MPAA then just don’t release it theatrically.

That’s fine. You know, sell it on streaming and make millions of dollars. It’s fine. Yeah. Again, we’ve talked about it before, but I think that stuff like the MPAA will probably always exist, but I don’t know that it will have the power that it has wielded or, or, or, or did wield at this time. Right, because it did wield a lot of power at this time.

It the MPAA slapped an R on you that limited your distribution. Even worse, if it slapped a NC 17 that. Severely limited your distribution and that’s, it’s not the case anymore. 

Todd: Yeah, 

Craig: of course there are arguments about the decline of cinema in movie theaters that I nostalgically agree with, but it’s nice that there are these outlets, there are lots of kills and, and I actually thought they were good, especially as a, you know, coming off of the last couple of these movies, which I enjoyed.

I enjoyed every single one. I don’t think that I. Saw any of them in the theater before maybe Jason XI definitely saw Jason and Freddy in the theater, but I didn’t see the other ones in the theater. That’s not what it was about. It was about renting it with my friends. Yeah. Or my cousins on a summer night and you know, watching these dumb movies that we knew what to expect from.

And the last couple hadn’t been great. Not even good, but. Still liked him. I thought this was a great return. I thought bringing in this telekinetic young woman, she’s not a linebacker, you know, she’s, she’s a typical young. Woman and, and to put her against what, at the time I thought was the most formidable, Jason Zombie, Jason Bones out, indestructible.

Like, what the fuck are you gonna do? Hit him with some telekinesis, you know? 

Todd: That’s right. 

Craig: She’s timid in the beginning. She doesn’t know how to control her powers. You know, just like with, you know, alphabet from Wicked, wicked, like it all. Hinges on her emotions, like she has to be emotionally heightened, angry, scared, something to be able to use these powers.

And initially, early in the movie, she doesn’t know how to control that. But when faced with Mortal danger, she has to learn to control it, and she does. And ultimately in the end, she’s using these powers against him. Now it looks. Stupid. Yes. But the idea, 

Todd: idea is awesome, is 

Craig: fantastic. 

Todd: They don’t have the cool, they’re in such a box with this, with these movies, right?

Like they don’t have the coolness that you got with Freddy, where you’ve got this dream reality and you can do all kinds of cool stuff. So she kind of turns and stares and. And think something happens. 

Craig: She looks very intently like, I thought she did a good job. Like I get it, like good as she could.

Especially at this time, like, you are Carrie, I’m doing the closeup on you. Like, get really intense in your face. Like, like, like just tense every muscle in your face. Like look so intently into the camera that your face. Trembles. I 

Todd: get it. It’s fine to give the gal credit. I mean, you know, we’re, we are attributing her.

She did her research. She apparently sought out real psychics. Now That’s right. There is no such thing. I’m just gonna go on record and say that it’s all bullshit, but like, you know, at least if you say so, at least real quote unquote psychics told her we’re portrayed so corny in movies and things. It’s not like that.

You know, you just need to have an intent look on your face. Don’t like. Do weird whooo things or go all crazy eyed or anything like that when you’re, uh, when you’re looking at her and, and, and that plays a little better. Not as hokey, I suppose. 

Craig: Yeah. I thought she did a great job. Yeah. Just to put it out there.

I don’t necessarily disbelieve in those things. I think there are all kinds of things that we, I mean, I’ve never seen it. I, I’ve never seen it, but I don’t necessarily. Disbelieve in those things. And I also, I mean, even just a weird shit like just intuition and deja vu, like, eh, it’s all explainable. Well, it suggests it’s just 

Todd: part of our psychology.

Craig: That’s fine. It may all be explainable. It doesn’t mean I disbelieve in it. I think if it turned out that people had telekinesis, sure we could find a reason to explain that. But I, that doesn’t mean that I. Disbelieve it, but that doesn’t matter. In this movie, she has telekinesis and I don’t know, she throws lamps at him.

Yeah. Like it’s a great scene. And, and like she, she makes his hockey mask has like straps on it and she makes the straps like tighten. So it like constricts his head. Like it almost like crushes his head. 

Todd: Yeah. 

Craig: And then it breaks off. Then that’s when you see zombie. Jason, he’s awesome. You alluded to this earlier, but.

I, I thought he looked fantastic. Yeah. Apparently the producer was very much against like, just showing his face at all. Like Sure. Leave the mask on. And, and they didn’t, obviously. And, and I, I think he looks great. He does. I mean, he looks like a monster, but I think that it’s smart at this point in the series to just establish that like you might as well.

Yeah. I mean, he, he’s. He’s Freddy, he’s, he’s supernatural. There’s no getting around that. Like he’s come back from the dead a hundred times. We just have to accept the. Fact at this point that he is clearly a supernatural being. 

Todd: I get the idea right, like Mike Myers is creepy because you just, there’s just a faceless person.

Like this could be anything. It could be nothing. It’s like a force behind the mask. It’s the pure evil thing. It’s just you don’t wanna see the eyes darting left and right and necessarily thought going into it. You just want to feel like this is just an unstoppable, spooky force. It’s definitely creepier.

This is not the first time we’ve seen Jason’s face and no, it’s probably the best we’ve seen of Jason’s face. You know, they were making all this stuff up as they went along. So obviously in the first movie there’s that jump scare at the end where we see this deformity, I think in the second movie.

Doesn’t he come in through a window when you see his face? Or the third one, I can’t remember which. 

Craig: Yeah, 

Todd: we, you, if you’re looking to do different things and do stuff with him, then this is about the time. Part seven is probably plenty of time for us to, yeah. Have waited to see zombie Jason’s face and, and I was happy to see it and I was also happy to not see it a lot after that.

To be honest with you. 

Craig: Yeah, yeah. Agreed. Yeah. Get the mask back on, get him a new mask, that’s fine. Mm-hmm. And you know, the mask, it’s, it’s interesting, you know, non horror fans just associate Jason with the mask, but the mask didn’t even come around until part three. I mean, I mean, Jason technically was in part one.

I, I, and I know that I’m preaching to the choir. Anybody who’s listening to this already knows this. They know. But your typical, you know, your non horror fan just doesn’t know that masked Jason Hockey masked Jason didn’t come around until halfway through the third movie, but yeah, now at this point, don’t take him out of it.

Get that fell a new mask. I’m glad he, I’m 

Todd: glad he got 

Craig: a new. 

Todd: He kind of knew about hockey mass too, and not the burlap sack. 

Craig: Right. I liked the burlap sack. I thought it like with the one hole 

Todd: that you could, I liked it so, so many non horror fans would never even believe that, that that’s the case. 

Craig: Yeah. But anyway, she fights him.

She like throws TVs and lamps at him, and it looks like they’re very slowly moving towards him on wires. Yes. But they knock him down. They knock him down the stairs and they knock him like through the floor into the basement. And then when she gets into the basement, I don’t remember how exactly it happens, but like, I don’t know if she likes.

Squirts him with gasoline with her mind. Like it’s all just with her mind. Yeah. It’s just closeups of her, like looking very intense and like shifting her eyes back and forth. But she’s like making things happen with her mind and she shoots him with fuel or something and then like shoots fire out of the furnace and he catches on fire and she and her boyfriend runaway and then the house explodes.

Yeah. Like a goddamn nuclear bomb in. 

Todd: But you can’t. Okay. So at what point is she running away from him? Is it this house where the, the thing falls on him? The porch? I don’t remember if it’s the same. They go to another cabin, right? That’s right. 

Craig: No, no. I feel like the house explodes like a bomb, but then he comes out anyway.

Yes. Like. He’s still not dead. Yeah. And then that’s when she makes, I don’t remember how 

Todd: she eventually kills him. I remember how it kills him. We cannot not talk about that. But first the fricking porch crashes down on him. And that was another thing where I was like, oh my God, did they not kill somebody doing this be, I thought, surely this was.

Like a Jason dummy standing there, because that just drops. 

Craig: Yeah. And it’s on fire. Yeah. And, but it doesn’t make any sense. Like literally they’re running away from the house. It explodes like there was a propane tank in there or something like, and, and I think I read something about how it exploded much l.

More than they had anticipated. Mm-hmm. Like, it was kind of insane. It doesn’t even make any sense that that porch, nothing would’ve, that would’ve been a hole in the ground. Understanding. Yeah. No. 

Todd: Yeah. But you’re right, you’re right. And apparently that was Kay Otter who got that thing dropped on him, and he was like, that was insane.

He, he said that they were, they made it out of balsa wood, and so the idea was that it would just drop on him and it wouldn’t hurt. But he was like. People don’t realize, depending on how you, you know, construct the thing out of balsa wood, it’s still heavy, it’s still pretty bad, and yeah. This like 700 pound thing came crashing down on him and put him through the, the floor there and, and he endured that.

He also, I know we’ve mentioned it on a previous podcast, I think, but I think it, up to this point, this was the longest fire stunt that had ever been done. Right. And it was also the first time that they showed Ignition. Usually with these movies, usually when they do a fire stunt in a movie, you know, somebody kinda lights a guy and then they start yelling action, or he runs out of a place or whatever and he is already on fire, right?

They actually rigged up a system for that fire to shoot out from the furnace there so that you could see in one whole shot on the camera him actually getting ignited. By the flames. And then Kane Otter was on fire forever and it was, it was pretty miraculous at the time, apparently. 

Craig: Yeah. And it, and it looks fantastic, but I mean, he’s still alive.

He’s zombie Jason or whatever, so he chases, he doesn’t chase like they think they’re okay. La Park, Lincoln and her boyfriend end up on the dock and they think that everything’s okay. But then Jason shows up and is kind of like fighting with her and him, I guess. So she does some kind of, she 

Todd: does some kind of like head thing and her dead father leaps up from under the water and puts his chain around Jason and drags him back down, basically.

Essentially, yeah. 

Craig: This doesn’t make any sense at all. 

Todd: No. On like five different levels. I mean, really, her dad died and they just left him down there, right? 

Craig: No, that doesn’t make any sense. At all 

Clip: ago. 

Craig: And he still looks like he died an hour ago. Now I did read, okay, so the producer hated the Jason Makeup look, and so the the Massless look, and so I guess there was a makeup design for this to guy, for this guy to look like he had been under the water for years, which still doesn’t make any sense, but the producer insisted that they take it out and that they shoot with him and just.

Just regular, which is stupid and doesn’t make any sense and just seems vindictive and like you as the producer don’t understand at all what these movies are. 

Todd: Yeah. Why is it the hill you have to die on? You know, of all the things. It’s so strange. I, I have to say I was rolling my eyes at that point. I had forgotten that was how he went down.

And as it’s dumb for, for every, the reason that we said. I guess that just puts Jason back in chains at the bottom of the lake. Right? I forgot how Part eight opens up. 

Craig: I don’t remember all. I remember in part eight is like they start in a yacht on Camp Crystal Lake and Jason gets on it somehow, God, and then they ride that yacht to New York.

What. What are you talking about? That doesn’t make any sense. And it’s dumb and it’s, and it’s called Jason Takes Manhattan or something like that. That’s when I gave up. No, and he’s only in New York for like the last 10 minutes of the movie. Like it all takes place on this dumb cruise. So disappointing.

Yeah, it’s terror. It’s not, well, I’m not gonna say it’s terrible ’cause I still enjoyed it, but it, it’s dumb and it is misleading and disappointing this movie, however, again, like we were gonna talk about it a week ago, but you’re traveling and it didn’t work out and so it’s been a while when. I came off of watching it, I was like, so happy.

Like, I love this movie. It’s so good. And, and I do honestly, even considering Jason XI, I, I have to put Freddie versus Jason in an entirely different category. Like I kind of can’t compare them. But in the Friday, the 13th series, this is definitely by far. My favorite Lar Park Lincoln. There were, there had been talks for a long time about doing a Friday, the 13th movie.

Well, a couple of things either where they just brought back all of the survivors as their characters or. They did kind of a new nightmare type of thing where they brought back the actresses playing themselves and there are a couple of fan made Friday the 13th films that Lard Park Lincoln is in and that other actors from the franchise are in.

And I’ve read good things about them, but I haven’t watched them, so I can’t, I. Endorse them, but I would’ve liked to have seen something like this. And I’m, I’m sad that she’s gone and she was relatively young. She had a full life. You know, she was married, had children. One of her daughters is following in her footsteps and acting now.

She did great things. She put together a foundation for young actors and, and like helped them, you know, with auditions and stuff like that. Like she did a lot of great things. I really only know her from this and House two, and she has a small role in House two, and she’s not even a likable character really in that movie.

Right. But for whatever reason, whether it’s this movie or that movie, both of which I loved. That movie I watched more than I watched this movie, but she’s cemented in my mind. I know her, at least I know what she looked like at this time. She was young and fresh. She had kind of a Meg Ryan, like a young Meg Ryan, look to her.

Yeah, these. Striking strike piercing blue eyes. You know she was blonde in this movie. She was brunette in the house too. Who knows what her natural hair color was? Who cares? You look at her IMDB profile and it’s a more recent picture of her and. Just still strikingly beautiful. And I know she wasn’t a huge star or anything, but I remember her and I will remember her and you know, we do these tribute, we don’t tribute every single celebrity who dies, right?

I don’t know when it’s somebody that we remember fondly. I like. Doing these things because I, I like, I like to g give them their flowers. So, you know, she, she passed away of breast cancer. I think she struggled with breast breast cancer for a very long time. Yeah. But she, she put up a good fight and she was a cool person.

And kudos to you. Rest in peace. Lard Park Lincoln. 

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