Art Kleinschmidt was the Deputy Director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy or Deputy Drug Czar under President Trump. He also served on the Domestic Policy Council in the White House as Senior Advisor for mental health & addiction, as well as the same role for SAMHSA. Art is in long-term recovery from substance use disorder and became a licensed clinician who has extensive experience with treatment. He is also the founder of the Recovery for America Now Foundation, which provides treatment scholarships to treatment centers across the country. Art discusses his unconventional path to D.C. and how to solve the overdose crisis in this episode of Grieving Out Loud.

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