In this deeply personal episode, Mark Chesnut returns to Grief Out Loud to share his experience of losing his sister Glynn to ovarian cancer. Glynn chose medical aid in dying after nearly four years of treatment, giving Mark and his family the unusual experience of knowing when death would occur. This conversation explores the complexity of "scheduled death," the challenges of finding appropriate language to discuss medical aid in dying, and how knowing the date changed their family's grieving process.

Mark Chesnut is a journalist, editor, public speaker, and the author of: Prepare for Departure.  Mark previously appeared on Grief Out Loud in October 2022, discussing caring for his mother at the end of her life. Mark lives in New York City with his husband Angel and recently wrote an article about his sister's experience with medical aid in dying. 

This episode is the second in our 2025 three-part series highlighting the voices of communities who have historically been underrepresented in the grief world. The series is part of an ongoing collaboration between Dougy Center and The New York Life Foundation. We are deeply grateful for New York Life Foundation's tireless support and advocacy for children and teens who are grieving.

Grief Out Loud is a production of Dougy Center, the National Grief Center for Children and Families in Portland, Oregon.

When someone dies, our relationship with them doesn't just disappear. Sometimes the relationship changes in ways we never expected, allowing us to feel closer to them than we did when they were alive. This can leave us learning to grieve not just for what we had, but for what never got the chance to have with them. In this episode we talk with Never Faull about grieving for their father, who died in 2018 from cirrhosis of the liver. Nev shares how their relationship with their father was distant during his life and how they've found ways to create a deeper connection with him after his death. We also discuss what it was like for Nev, who came out as trans six months after their dad dies, to navigate grieving while also celebrating a new unfolding in their identity. 

Topics we discuss:

• Navigating grief in complex parent-child relationships
• The impact of undiagnosed autism on family connections
• Creating meaning and relationship after death
• The symbols and rituals that help Nev feel a connection with their dad's presence
• Queer and trans grief resources

Never Faull is a queer and trans, disabled, autistic BIPOC writer, photographer, facilitator, and grief tender based in Portland. they explore the intersections of memory, identity, and mourning in their creative work. their current project, The Dead Dad Camera Club, started with the camera their dad left behind, and has become a way to navigate grief through photos and storytelling. 

Resources Mentioned

• The Wild Edge of Sorrow by Francis Weller
• Queer Grief Club run by Jamie Thrower 
• Dead Dad Camera Club newsletter 
• Grief Out Loud contact: [email protected]
• The Dougy Center website: dougy.org

This episode is the first in our 2025 three-part series highlighting the voices of communities who have historically been underrepresented in the grief world. The series is part of an ongoing collaboration between Dougy Center and The New York Life Foundation. We are deeply grateful for New York Life Foundation's tireless support and advocacy for children and teens who are grieving.

Daria Burke is an author, executive, and healer-at-heart. She's also a grandchild grieving for her grandmother and a daughter estranged from her parents. In this episode, Daria shares the profound impact of losing her maternal grandmother at age seven and how that early loss reverberated through her life. This loss and grief exist alongside the immense healing she's done around growing up in poverty, childhood trauma, and her parents' absences, addictions, and the eventual estrangement from them.

With the recent release of her memoir, Of My Own Making, Daria opens up about the moment, decades later, that reawakened the grief for her grandmother - finding a newspaper article about her fatal car accident. That discovery, and ensuing grief, started a new chapter in Daria's healing process. In our conversation, we talk about inherited trauma, the emotional weight of estrangement, the invisible grief of childhood neglect, Daria's healing practices, and how she  stays connected to her grandmother through what she calls “love taps.”

Key Topics:

• What role Daria's grandmother played in her early childhood

• The ongoing impacts of childhood grief and unprocessed trauma

• How truth-telling is part of healing

• The collective grief she grew up around in Detroit of the 1980's

• Uncovering the grief she buried after her grandmother died

• Grieving for family members who are still alive

Grief Practices Daria Shares:

• Giving herself permission to cry freely

• Meditative practices to connect with her grandmother

• Volunteering on holidays and creating new rituals

• Finding signs from her grandmother in the world around her

Daria Burke is an American writer, speaker and award-winning business leader. A marketer by trade and a seeker at heart, Daria is a storyteller and sense-maker, weaving together personal experience and the science of healing and transformation to explore new ways of understanding how we choose who we become. This passion led her to complete Dr. Tara Swart’s Neuroscience for Business course at MIT and Positive Psychology and Well-Being at Stanford, taught by Dr. Daryn Reicherter, an international expert in trauma psychiatry. 

Her debut memoir, OF MY OWN MAKING (April 2025) explores trauma, neuroplasticity, and Post-Traumatic Growth through the lens of her own healing journey. Kiese Laymon called it “as profound a book about the treacherous experience of befriending ourselves as I’ve read this decade.” Part memoir, part methodology, OF MY OWN MAKING blends personal narrative with scientific insight, Daria inspires readers to reimagine the narratives that define their lives.

Connect with Daria:

• Website: www.dariaburke.com

• Instagram: @dariaburke

Resources & Links:

• Dougy Center: www.dougy.org

• Email the show: [email protected]

Production Note: Grief Out Loud is produced by Dougy Center: The National Grief Center for Children & Families, and is supported in part by The Chester Stephan Endowment Fund.

In this episode, we delve into the grief experiences of children and teens with autism. Our guest, Jennifer Wiles, M.A., LMHC, BC-DMT, FT - Director of the HEARTplay Program and a dance movement therapist with decades of experience - joins us to discuss how children with autism process grief and how parents and others in their lives can support them. Drawing on her background in both nonverbal forms of expression and grief support, Jennifer shares compassionate, practical insights rooted in her work with families. This conversation is both timely and essential, especially during Autism Acceptance Month, as it highlights the importance of expanding how we understand and support grief beyond more traditional approaches rooted in words. 

We discuss:  

• The importance of using direct, concrete language when talking about death 

• Common misconceptions about how kids with autism express grief 

• Why behaviors often interpreted as indifference may be expressions of deep emotion 

• How sensory overload and disrupted routines can intensify grief reactions 

• The powerful role of nonverbal communication—movement, gesture, rhythm, and ritual—in grief expression 

• How social stories and structured activities can prepare kids for events like funerals 

• Grief rituals for significant days like anniversaries and birthdays 

• The impact of other losses, including changes in routine, missed milestones, and the death of service animals 

Resources mentioned: 

• Toolkit from the National Alliance for Children’s Grief (NACG): A resource for supporting children of all abilities who are grieving

• Books: 

• • I Have a Question About... series by Meredith Polsky & Arlen Gaines 

• • Understanding Death and Illness and What They Teach About Life by Catherine Faherty 

• • A Kids Book About Grief by Brennan Wood 

• HEARTplay Program: Free downloadable social stories and grief support 

Have feedback or a story to share? Email us at [email protected]  Visit dougy.org for grief support resources, activity sheets, and past episodes. 

Grief often arrives without warning and changes everything we thought we knew about ourselves, our families, and the world around us. In this episode, we talk with Erin Nelson and Colleen Montague about their new book, When Grief Comes Home, a resource created from years of both personal loss and professional experience supporting families who are grieving. Erin, founding Executive Director of Jessica’s House in Central California, and Colleen, Program Director, discuss how they came to write this book that blends memoir, practical tools, and reflective questions. 

We discuss:

• Erin's personal experience with grief including the death of her husband when their children were just 3 and 5 years old, her mother from suicide, and her son Carter, who died in an accident
• The unique impact of sudden loss 
• The power of rituals and expressive activities 
• What teens really need when they are grieving
• Strategies for returning to school and work
• Activites and discussion starters parents and caregivers can use to connect with their kids
• Learning to trust yourself in grief
• Making space for the dark parts of grief while also staying open to moments of light and joy

Resources & Mentions: 

• When Grief Comes Home: A Guide For Living Through Loss While Supporting Your Child, by Erin and Colleen – [available wherever you get your books] 

• Jessica’s House: https://jessicashouse.org/ 

• Dougy Center: https://www.dougy.org/ 

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Grief Out Loud is produced by Dougy Center: The National Grief Center for Children & Families. 

What does it mean to lose your anchor people? In a short period of time, Renée Watson experienced the death of her mother, her mentor Nikki Giovanni, and her childhood friend, Charnetta. Renée shares how these experiences influenced her latest novel for young readers, All the Blues in the Sky, which follows 13-year-old Sage as she navigates grief after the death of her best friend.

Renée Watson is a #1 New York Times bestselling author whose recent book All the Blues in the Sky explores grief through the eyes of a young person. Her young adult novel, Piecing Me Together, received a Coretta Scott King Award and Newbery Honor. Her children's picture books and novels for teens have received several awards and international recognition. Many of her books are inspired by her experiences growing up as a Black girl in the Pacific Northwest.

We Discuss

• Experiencing multiple significant losses in a short period of time 

• The impact of losing "anchor people" in one's life 

• How Renée's mentor and friend, Nikki Giovanni, supported her as she grieved for her mother 

• The spectrum of emotions that come with grief 

• Why it’s important to acknowledge grief rather than avoid it 

• What Renée learned about grief from writing her main character, Sage.  

• The comparison of sudden loss versus anticipated loss 

• Finding tangible reminders of love after someone dies 

Connect with Renée Watson 

Website: RenéeWatson.net 

About Dougy Center 

Grief Out Loud is a production of Dougy Center, the National Grief Center for Children and Families in Portland, Oregon. For more resources, visit dougy.org or email [email protected]. 

In this deeply moving episode we talked with Myra Sack about the love, loss, and legacy of her daughter, Havi. Diagnosed with Tay-Sachs disease at just 15 months old, Havi's life was brief but profoundly impactful. Myra shares how she and her family navigated the unbearable reality of their daughter's illness and death, including transforming their Shabbat ritual into "Shabbirthdays" held every Friday to celebrate Havi's life.  

Myra reflects on the arduous medical rollercoaster that led to Havi's Tay-Sachs diagnosis, the challenges of navigating a world that struggles to support the bereaved, and how she and her family find solace in sharing Havi's legacy with others. She also discusses her memoir, Fifty-Seven Fridays, and how she started E-Motion, Inc. an organization that harnesses movement, community, and ritual to support those who are grieving.  

We discuss: 

• The ongoing presence of grief, particularly during milestone moments and everyday life. 

• How Myra and her husband Matt created the Shabbirthday ritual to honor Havi each week.  

• How Havi continues to teach others even after her death. 

• The impact of isolation for grieving families and the struggle of navigating social norms post-diagnosis. 

• Finding ways to stay connected to Havi through rituals, storytelling, and shared memories. 

• Myra's journey into grief education and the founding of E-Motion, which supports people who are grieving through movement and community.  

• The need for more grief-informed communities. 

Resources & Links: 

• Fifty-Seven Fridays by Myra Sack 

• E-Motion

• What Happened to You? By Bruce D. Perry & Oprah Winfrey

Connect With Us: Have thoughts on this episode? We'd love to hear from you! Email us at [email protected] or visit our website for more resources and past episodes. 

What does it mean to live with an incurable illness while navigating grief, time, and the complexity of human connection? In this episode of Grief Out Loud, we sit down with Caroline Catlin—writer, artist, and grief care worker—to explore her experience of living with an incurable brain cancer diagnosis. 

Caroline shares how her relationship with cancer has evolved over the past six years, from the early days of fighting for a diagnosis to the ongoing reality of regular scans and the uncertainty of what’s next. She speaks candidly about anticipatory grief, the way mortality shapes her daily life, and how her work in end-of-life photography and peer grief support informs her perspective on loss. 

We also discuss: 

• The impact of a life-altering diagnosis on friendships and relationships 

• How people can better support those living with illness 

• The intersection of living with illness and supporting grieving children 

• The unique grief of knowing time is limited—and learning to live within it 

Caroline also shares about her grief writing workshops, her creative process, and how gardening has become a grounding practice for her. 

Connect with Caroline: 

• Website: carolinecatlin.com 

• Instagram: @mybodyofwater 

• Grief writing workshops: Sliding scale, open to all 

For more resources and to connect with Grief Out Loud, visit Dougy Center. 

In this episode of Grief Out Loud, we welcome back Carla Fernandez, co-founder of The Dinner Party, to talk about her new book, Renegade Grief, in which she explores the question: "Now what? What are we supposed to do after someone dies?" Carla reflects on the death of her father, the unconventional paths she’s taken to process her grief, and how The Dinner Party came together from a desire to create non-traditional spaces for young adults navigating loss.

In this conversation we delve into the dominant narratives around grief — and how the few that do exist may not fit for most of us. From potluck meals to altar building, Carla shares creative ways people can honor their grief and build community at the same time.

We discuss:

• The inspiration behind Renegade Grief and why Carla wished this book existed when her dad died.
• How traditional grief support spaces often don’t work for young adults.
• The origin story of The Dinner Party, and how one dinner with friends who “get it” can change everything.
• Why food, memory, and grief are so deeply intertwined.
• The myth that grief gets “easier after the first year” — and why year two can be even harder.
• Grief rituals and care practices for both early grief and the long haul.
• Creating identity-based grief spaces, like LGBTQ+ and BIPOC tables, and why specificity matters in grief support.
• Finding joy, creativity, and unexpected connection through grief (without forced positivity).

Carla Fernandez is the co-founder of The Dinner Party, a community-driven organization that brings together grieving young adults for potluck dinners and meaningful conversations about life after loss. Her new book, Renegade Grief, is a practical and heartfelt guide to building personal rituals and support networks that meet you where you are — not where society says you should be.

• Renegade Grief (out March 11, 2025)
• The Dinner Party - Peer grief support for 20 to 45 year-olds
• The Grieving Brain by Mary-Frances O’Connor
• The Smell of Rain on Dust by Martín Prechtel
• The Death of My Two Fathers - Documentary by Sol Guy

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In this episode Bryan Jung talks about the experience of being only nine years old when his father, a prominent lawyer in the Korean community, was tragically shot by another lawyer. Fifteen months later and just nine days before Bryan’s 11th birthday, his father died. Bryan reflects on the impact of his father’s death, the strength of his family, and how he continues to honor his dad’s legacy. He shares how his grief evolved over time, the role of community support, and the lessons he’s carried into his own life. Bryan also discusses founding This Is Why, an online platform that provides space for individuals who lost a parent as a child or teen to share their stories and find connection. 

We Discuss: 

• Bryan’s memories of his father and the impact of his death on their family 

• Navigating life after his father’s shooting and the challenges of childhood grief 

• The role of community support and the strength of his mother in keeping the family together 

• How volunteering at Camp Erin deepened his understanding of grief and inspired him to create This Is Why 

• The power of storytelling in grief and his commitment to continuing his father’s legacy 

• Forgiveness and personal growth in the aftermath of tragedy 

• How grief anniversaries and milestones continue to shape his journey 

Resources & Links: 

• Learn more about This Is Why: thisiswhy.life 

• Connect with This Is Why on social media 

• Information on Camp Erin: elunanetwork.org 

• Dougy Center: dougy.org 

Join the Conversation: 

We’d love to hear from you! If you have thoughts on this episode or want to share your own grief journey, email us at [email protected].