Grief Out Loud

Is it harder when someone dies suddenly, or when you know their death is coming?

It's a question that comes up often in grief spaces, and there's no easy answer. Both are hard - just in different ways.

In this episode, Aimee Craig talks about grieving the deaths of both of her parents under very different circumstances. Aimee's dad died suddenly when she was 23, during a season of major life transitions. Nearly two decades later, her mom died after living with cancer for many years, including five years with a terminal diagnosis.

Aimee reflects on how differently she experienced these losses - not just because of the circumstances of each death, but because of who she was at each point in her life. At 23, grief felt overwhelming and frightening. At 41, as a parent and longtime Dougy Center volunteer, she had more language and capacity for grief, even while navigating the difficult realities of caregiving and end-of-life decision making.

We explore the emotional and physical impact of sudden loss versus anticipated death, the complicated realities of caregiving, and the grief that comes with milestone moments, holidays, and parenting without the support and celebration of your own parents.

We also discuss what it means to actually witness grief and how having space to tell the truth without judgment or pressure to feel better - can help grief feel less isolating and a little easier to carry.

We discuss:

• Sudden death and the shock it can have on the body and nervous system
• Grieving before someone dies and the realities of caregiving
• How grief changes as we change over time
• The pressure and complexity of end-of-life decisions
• Parenting while grieving your own parents
• Mother's Day, Father's Day, and other significant days
• Why witnessing grief matters
• How being grief aware doesn't make us immune to being caught off guard by grief

If you're supporting someone who is grieving, or navigating grief yourself, this episode validates that there's no right or wrong way to feel in grief, no timeline for it, and that we can't measure grief by how someone died.

Check out Aimee's podcast, Who Died?

How do you talk with children about death, dying, and grief - especially when the truth feels impossible to say?

Most adults feel unprepared to tell a child that someone in their life has an advanced serious illness or has died. There's often a deep desire to protect kids from pain, avoid overwhelming them, or wanting to wait until there's a "better" time to talk. But children often already sense that something has changed.

In this episode, Jana is joined by Dougy Center colleagues Rebecca Hobbs-Lawrence, M.A. and Sat Kaur Khalsa, M.S.W. to talk about how adults can approach these conversations with honesty, clarity, and compassion.

Rebecca, Dougy Center's Pathways Program and Grief Services Coordinator, and Sat Kaur, Dougy Center's Family Services Coordinator, bring decades of professional experience supporting grieving children and families. They also share how their own childhood experiences of grief shaped the way they talk with kids about loss today.

Together, they explore how to tell children someone has died using concrete, age-appropriate language, why grief conversations don't need to happen all at once, and how adults can respond when children ask difficult questions about blame, uncertainty, and why someone died.

They also discuss how to talk with children about deaths that are often stigmatized, including suicide, homicide, and substance-related deaths, and why withholding information can sometimes create more fear and confusion.

Whether you're a parent, caregiver, clinician, educator, or simply someone supporting a those who are grieving, this conversation offers practical guidance and reassurance for navigating some of the hardest conversations.

We discuss:

• Why honesty and clear language matter when talking with kids about death
• How to explain death in concrete, age-appropriate ways
• Why grief conversations are never one-and-done
• Supporting children when someone has an advanced serious illness
• How to respond when kids blame themselves for a death
• Talking about suicide, homicide, and substance-related deaths without shame
• Why adults don't need perfect words - just presence and openness

Resources: Dougy Center's full collection of Tip Sheets and Activities: https://www.dougy.org/grief-support-resources Grief education & training offerings: https://www.dougy.org/professionals-trainings

Have you ever found yourself trying to outrun grief? That's what Camila Crews did when she was 19 and her mother died. Twenty years later, following the heartbreaking disappearance and death of her father, Camila stopped running and started feeling. Unable to just keep pushing through, she had to face her grief and learn how to care for herself in the process.

Facing her grief inspired Camila to start Sorry for Your Loss (Cards), an initiative to help people better understand grief and show up for those who are mourning. Centering the experiences of Black and Brown communities, Sorry for Your Loss (Cards) provides workshops, cards, resources, and community experiences designed to decrease the isolation that so often accompanies grief.

We discuss:

• The fiery, creative energy Camila's parents shared
• Losing her mother twice: first as a child when her mother moved away, and then as a young adult when she died
• The instinct to just keep moving forward after her mother's death
• Having to slow down and finally face grief after her father was killed
• Living with the unanswered questions surrounding her father's disappearance and presumed death
• The vital importance of culturally specific grief resources
• Finding connection with other people who are grieving
• The origin of Sorry for Your Loss (Cards) and Camila's commitment to helping others understand grief

Camila A. Crews builds tools, experiences, and cultural conversations that help people show up for grief in real, tangible ways. After losing both of her parents over the course of two decades, she experienced firsthand how lonely grief can feel and how often people want to support others but don't know how. The purpose of Sorry For Your Loss is to help people get familiar with grief before it overwhelms them or someone they love. Since founding Sorry For Your Loss, Camila has developed therapist endorsed grief support tools and facilitated workshops based on her frameworks at wellness and mental health summits. Before building her own platform, Camila held public relations leadership roles shaping multicultural campaigns for global brands including Apple TV+, Netflix, and Universal Pictures. She blends storytelling, empathy, and lived experience to create meaningful tools for grief, connection, and community.

Follow on IG - @sorryforyourlosscards

In December of 2021, Sawyer was halfway through their final year of college in a world that was still reeling from the pandemic. Home for the holidays, Sawyer got the heartbreaking news that their older brother, Jason, had died by suicide - a before-and-after moment that continues to reverberate today.

Sawyer shares their nuanced perspective on grief, delving into how mental health, incarceration, and other systemic barriers impacted Jason's life and death. We also explore how the phrase, "It's not your fault," while well-intentioned, can leave little space for those who are grieving to truly reckon with both guilt and regret.

We discuss:

• Jason's artistry, love of cars, and enduring pride in Sawyer's academic accomplishments
• Navigating grief while finishing college and graduating
• The intersection of grief and institutional failures, including incarceration, a lack of stable housing, and inadequate mental health support
• How peer support - both formal and informal - gave Sawyer space to reckon with both grief and guilt
• The power of logistical support to help those who are grieving

If you or someone you know is struggling, please reach out. You can call 988, the National Crisis Line, or text HELLO to 741-741. Other resources include: The Trevor Project for LGBTQ+ youth (1-866-488-7386) and BlackLine (1-800-604-5841).

Resources Mentioned:

• Wild Grief - Grieving Together in Nature
• Dougy Center - Resources for Young Adults

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Acknowledgment, validation, and curiosity – meeting grief with these three elements is crucial in creating supportive, culturally relevant grief support environments for children and adults. Dr. Allen Lipscomb has spent his career researching, designing, and implementing anti-racist interventions that directly support not just grief from death loss, but also the grief from racialized trauma experienced by those in the Black community.

Dr. Lipscomb shares his personal experiences with grief, including the death of his grandmother when he was a child and being wrongly accused of a crime in his adolescence. He also discusses the roots of his work as a clinician, researcher, and Professor of Social Work, including the culturally specific ways he engages with clients that prioritize choice and naming racism and racialized trauma that play a role in how people grieve.

We discuss:

• How childhood experiences of death, racism, and wrongful accusation shaped Dr. Allen Lipscomb's understanding of grief, trauma, and identity
• The impact of racialized trauma on how Black youth and men experience, express, and silence grief
• Why naming experiences like racism, PTSD, and loss can be profoundly important and validating
• What culturally responsive grief support looks like, including storytelling, oral histories, grief mapping, somatic awareness, and community-centered care
• How grief supporters can avoid rescuer dynamics and instead create invitational, choice-centered spaces to explore grief
• The importance of preparing mental health providers, schools, and communities to offer anti-racist, culturally relevant grief support for Black youth and families

Allen E. Lipscomb, PsyD, LCSW, Professor of Social Work, Associate Chair, Director of MSW Online Program; and Director of Minority Male Mentoring (M3) and Student Success Allies (SSA) program at California State University Northridge in the Department of Social Work. Dr. Lipscomb is a clinical psychologist and a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in the State of California. Dr. Lipscomb specializes in providing anti-oppressive and inclusive mental health services to individuals, children, youth, couples, and families of color. His areas of research are centered on the psychiatric epidemiology among racialized and marginalized individuals who have experienced trauma (i.e., complex trauma, traumatic-grief, and race-based trauma). Dr. Lipscomb has conducted numerous qualitative research studies on racialized Black identified men across the Black/African Diaspora exploring their grief, loss, and complex-trauma experiences. His pedagogy is centered on cultural anti-oppressive and clinically responsive inclusive practices with communities of color. Dr. Lipscomb maintains a private practice; conducts local, national, and international trainings; is a consultant/coach, and keynote speaker. Dr. Lipscomb has numerous peer reviewed journal articles that centers Black male grief experiences and has a published five books all centered around Black men and boys grief, trauma, and healing journeys.

Resources mentioned in our conversation:

• Reframing Grief for Black Students: A Qualitative Analysis of Grief Resilient Affirming Care through Empowerment (G.R.A.C.E) Training
• My Grandmother's Hands by Resmaa Menakem

Connect with Dr. Lipscomb

• Website
• IG @dralipscomb

In this episode of Grief Out Loud, Jana is joined by N'keya Peters-Camille, LCSW, RYT® 200, a social worker, certified Grief Yoga teacher, facilitator for e-motion grief meet ups, and creator of Hope: A One Line A Day Journal for the Bereaved. N'keya shares the story of her mother, Hope - a woman she describes as her soulmate - who died of pancreatic cancer in 2021 at the age of 46.

N'keya reflects on growing up alongside her mother, witnessing her overcome immense challenges, and experiencing firsthand what it meant to be deeply seen, supported, and loved. After her mother's death, N'keya found herself navigating grief without strong cultural or community rituals to hold her. In response, she created her own network of support through grief counseling, retreats, movement practices, and eventually, offering those same resources to others - particularly within her Afro-Caribbean and African American communities.

The conversation explores caregiving during the pandemic, the absence of end-of-life conversations, and what it means to grieve while parenting young children. N'keya shares how she spoke honestly with her three-year-old son about death, how grief continues to evolve five years later, and how she makes space for both sorrow and joy - especially on complex days like Mother's Day.

N'keya also speaks candidly about pregnancy loss and infertility following her mother's death and how those grief experiences intersected. She describes how her mother's voice continues to guide her—in her work, her parenting, and her sense of self—and how she honors that connection by living fully, while also deeply grieving.

Note: this episode mentions childhood sexual assault. Please take care while listening.

In this episode, you'll hear about:

• Grieving the death of a parent while raising young children
• The impact of limited cultural grief rituals and creating your own
• Movement, community, and storytelling as grieving practices
• Navigating Mother's Day while holding multiple losses
• Pregnancy loss, infertility, and layered grief experiences
• Maintaining an ongoing bond with someone who has died

N'keya Peters-Camille, LCSW, RYT® 200, is a Social Worker and Grief Educator who integrates clinical support with somatic healing. Her work is deeply rooted in her own grief history—from navigating the death of her beloved mother, Hope, to the profound challenges of miscarriage and the complexities of IVF and IUI.

As an African American woman born and raised in Brooklyn with Caribbean roots, N'keya is dedicated to bringing meaningful grief support to her community. Certified in Grief Yoga, she believes that grief is often too heavy to carry alone and too deep to process through words alone. In addition to her private practice, she serves as a volunteer with E-Motion, facilitating 6–8 week grief movement groups. By blending clinical social work with somatic movement and meditation, N'keya provides a "soft landing" for those walking the path of loss—helping them bridge the gap between mind and body, find their breath again, and carry their loved ones' legacies forward.

Want to learn more about supporting children and teens who are grieving? Sign up for our online courses here: https://classes.dougy.org/

Mother's Day is approaching - Sunday, May 10th, 2026 - and it's a "holiday" that comes with lots of mixed emotions for those who are grieving. Whether you're a child grieving a parent, a parent grieving a child, or anyone who is carrying grief into the day, this episode might be for you. We explore why holidays connected to particular relationships can be so tough in grief and outline ideas for navigating both the lead-up and the day itself. This episode originally aired in April 2015.

Other Grief Out Loud episodes related to mothers, mothering, and Mother's Day: Ep. 127 What God Is Honored Here? Shannon Gibney & Kao Kalia Yang Ep. 147 Grief & Mother's Day - A Teen's Take

Want to learn more about supporting children and teens who are grieving? Sign up for our online courses here: https://classes.dougy.org/

In this episode, we talk with Dr. Kailey Bradley about support for grieving a death loss, but also the more overlooked non-death losses, including chronic illness, infertility, shifting identities, and the futures we imagined but don't get to live.

Dr. Bradley is a clinician and educator who specializes in working with children and families navigating grief and illness. Kailey shares her experiences growing up with chronic illness and being diagnosed with premature ovarian failure at age 12, and how those layered losses affected her at different life stages. We explore what it means to "process" grief, why anger and big questions deserve space, and how grief can show up in ways we don't always recognize. We also discuss how being diagnosed later in life with autism spectrum disorder shifted how Kailey understands grief – hers and those she supports.

We discuss:

• Why grief care can be seen as preventative mental health care
• What Kailey learned working with teens in juvenile detention about unprocessed loss
• How children express grief through play, behavior, and the body
• Supporting neurodivergent kids and teens, including those with autism
• The importance of choice and autonomy in grief support
• What makes a grief-informed community and why we need more of them
• The collective grief of the pandemic and how little space we've made to process it

This conversation is both practical and expansive, offering ideas for parents, caregivers, educators, clinicians, and anyone who wants to better understand grief in all its forms.

Connect with Dr. Kailey BradleyRefuge Counseling: https://allrefuge.com/The Death & Sex Podcast: https://pod.co/the-death-and-sex-podcast The Ohio Bereavement Collaborative: https://ohiobc.com/

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Jeremy's mom was a protector, an optimist, and someone who held onto a sense of lightness - even after a cancer diagnosis that led to her death just a few months later.

In this episode, Jeremy shares what it was like to navigate such a short window between his mom's diagnosis and death, and how her outlook continues to shape him and his grief. From visiting her just before her death to to time spent in the woods bow hunting, he describes the ways he still feels connected to her.

After her death, Jeremy's connection to nature and hunting became a foundation for staying close with his mom. From finding a deer skull to a particularly challenging hunt, he felt her presence and support come through. Jeremy also turned to reconnecting with his Filipino heritage, joining a grief group, and moving to be closer to family as ways to cope with the loss.

At the heart of this conversation is the idea of ongoing connection - how relationships with people who have died can continue and evolve over time.

Note for listeners: This episode includes non-graphic references to bow hunting and the death of an animal. Please take care while listening.

In this episode, we talk about:

• Grief after a rapid illness and loss
• Staying connected to someone who has died
• The role of nature and ritual in grief
• Finding support, even when you're unsure
• Honoring family, culture, and heritage

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What does it mean to live with uncertainty - especially when your body, your capacity, and your sense of self are all changing at once?

In this episode, Jana is joined again by author and advocate Marisa Renee Lee. You may know Marisa from her first book, Grief Is Love, or from her work helping people tell the truth about grief. In this conversation, she returns to share about her new book, Waiting for Dawn, and the realities of living with long COVID - an experience that has reshaped her daily life, her work, and her understanding of grief.

Marisa reflects on the many losses she's navigated over the years: the death of her mother when she was 25, a pregnancy loss, the recent death of her beloved dog, and the ongoing grief of living with chronic illness. We explore how grief shows up not only after someone dies, but also in the loss of health, identity, and certainty.

Marisa shares how she's learning to live within that uncertainty, from asking for (and accepting) help, to finding small, sustaining moments of joy, to letting go of who she used to be. The conversation also touches on parenting through grief and illness, including how Marisa talks with her young son about death, and what it's been like to watch him develop his own relationship with grief.

We discuss:

• The difference between grieving a person and grieving your own health
• How long COVID has reshaped Marisa's identity, work, and daily life
• The loneliness of illness and the challenge of asking for help
• Parenting through grief and talking with children about death
• The impact of cumulative loss and how different losses intersect
• Letting go of who you were before loss or illness
• Finding "micro joys" and small footholds in hard seasons
• The role of faith, hope, and rest in navigating uncertainty

Find Marisa: marisareneelee.com Get the book: Waiting for Dawn — available April 7, 2026

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