Full disclosure: This was a weird podcast. I had invited my friend and colleague, LA Weekly founder, Jay Levin on the podcast to talk about censorship and the social-emotional learning work he's been doing since leaving journalism. Truth be typed, I was way more interested in talking about the state of journalism, given that Jay had given birth to the coolest alt weekly the country has seen (I say this totally objectively, despite having written for the paper for nine years ;) ), and is now seeing the world through a very different lens than I am. I guess I thought that a 1:1 conversation would snap us out of our various angles of mind control, and allow us to hear and grok one another's perspectives, and forge the way for common ground and healing.Spoiler alert: It didn't go down like this.I am breaking from my usual format of putting the second half of our conversation behind the paywall that is my Locals and Patreon communities for a couple reasons: 1. I think the contrast between the first and second half offers some really valuable insight on the barriers our populace is currently having when it comes to understanding one another.2. Jay was far more interested in talking about his SEL journey than in journalism. I'd toyed with the idea of posting the SEL half of the conversation as Part 1, and the journalism conversation as Part 1. But, I didn't really flow. So, in an effort to honor Jay's time and efforts, I decided to post the whole show for the public, so that the largest possible audience could learn more about his SEL work.That being said, I still encourage you to support me on Locals and/or Patreon, as your support goes a long way in allowing me to continue to put out content. You can pick the platform(s) of your choice here:danikatz.locals.comwww.patreon.com/danikatzLearn more about Jay and his SEL work:https://equipourkids.orgThanks for tuning in, tribe. I'll be back with my usual cast of edge-pushing rebels next week. Pinky swear. Correction: I don't know for a fact that Matt Taibi was kicked off of PayPal, though I do know he's written about journalists being banned from PayPal. Read about it here: https://www.racket.news/p/paypals-indymedia-wipeout