In this rich and deeply moving conversation, Susan welcomes her friend and mentor C.J. Andrews to the Clean Heart Club. Together they explore what it means to live with a clean heart, release people-pleasing, and encounter God not just on the mountaintop—but in the quiet, ordinary moments of daily life.

C.J. shares her journey as a pastor’s wife, spiritual director, and founder of the Sacred Trace, inviting listeners into a slower, more contemplative way of walking with Jesus. From holy indifference and sacred imagination to healing from deep personal pain, this episode offers freedom, hope, and a beautiful invitation to simply be God’s beloved.

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