Matt and Ross wander around London Liverpool Street station talking about features such as: the underground gym, the ‘Calm Corner’, and Exchange Square, the new development behind the station. n.b Neither Matt or Ross can remember the term ‘Terrazzo’ for the paving stones in Exchange Square.

Matt talks about Sean Cubitt’s article, ‘Anecdotal evidence’ from 2013, and what an anecdotal method to art, research and performance might entail.

Matt talks about how different techniques he uses across two podcasts construct the liveness of thought.

Matt walks through a field and tries to re-perform a previous podcast where he had talked about Maria Fusco and class.

Matt talks about the children’s book Snail Song and then sings his version of the poem from that book. (Correction: Matt gets the author’s name totally wrong. Snail Song is written by Judith Nicholls and illustrated by Lo Cole.)

Matt talks about how he’s probably going to spend less time talking about being a dad.

Matt talks about unreliable narrators, Greta Olsen’s article, ‘Reconsidering Unreliability: Fallible and Untrustworthy Narrators’, and the idea of an implied author.

A double bill! Matt talks about getting his own height wrong and about how pleasant it is to lay still for a while while having an ECG.

Matt talks about rehearsing.

Matt talks about coffee.