Matt walks through Hendon in the rain, talking about resentment and the far right, and how resentment is a performance that constitutes the hierarchy that the far right uses to justify it’s political programme(s). He mentions Richard Seymour's new book 'Disaster Nationalism'.

Matt talks about sweetness, ‘Americans’ on TikTok and how capitalism can’t capture the feeling of eating a McDonalds in a steamed up car in the carpark of the Sydenham Sainsbury’s with all the crows.

Matt phones up Ross and tries out a conversational fugue chat. We talk about conversations with your parents, Ross comes up with some productivity hacks and we have a conversation about what being middle class means, based on Matt watching Joanna Hogg’s 2019 film The Souvenir. (Apologies for the audio quality, I’m working on it)

Matt talks about thinking out loud, clarity and the difference between strong and weak theory. He also almost gets run over by a Tesla.

Matt walks through the city talking about tooth pain, verrucas and nostalgia: all private experiences that can be very intense for the person experiencing them, but hard to communicate to other people.

Matt talks about listening to old songs, Philip Guston and how sometimes art isn’t made for an audience. There's also a bit about gendered icks.

Matt talks about narcissism. Is this podcast narcissistic, he wonders? (Yes, is the answer.) Also, what is it to perform narcissism in an age when our sense of self is always already fractured and scattered across the technological platforms through which we construct it?

Matt walks to the library and talks about what it means to have conviction as an artist. What should you have conviction in? When is it useful to remain convinced by your work and ideas, and when is it important to give up? (n.b. At some point in the podcast Matt shouts ‘8:30’ and that’s because someone has just asked him the time in the street.)

Matt talks about his teenage anti-capitalism, seeing the back of things and how political disgust can turn into aesthetic interest.

Matt walks to work and talks about the desire to act out while teaching.