French intellectual Thierry Meyssan discusses Ukraine and the end of the unipolar moment. Since the collapse of the USSR, Washington has tried to prevent any power from challenging it, including the European Union. The EU is a good market but must never become a political power. The Ukraine conflict is being used to pauperize and economically collapse Europe, which will happen. Russia is militarily stronger than the U.S. For over a decade there has been a growing movement of Nazism or Banderism in Ukraine which now makes up one-third of the armed forces. He explains why false flag operations are so successful and that perhaps next time such an operation will be used against Russia or China or anyone and everyone! He lived in Libya and Syria and worked with both governments and explains how the Pentagon uses Daesh as its private army and is doing the same with the Neo-Nazis in Ukraine. He doesn't think the U.S. will go to war with Russia or China as they are too formidable, and that rather, they are at war against the Europeans as Washington wants to be the empire for Europe. They will continue false flag attacks against their own allies. He discusses the oligarchic system in the U.S. and the Straussian neocons. The world is dividing in two blocs which will no longer communicate with each other, and the West is the smaller bloc.
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Geopolitics & Empire · Thierry Meyssan: The Goal of the Ukraine Conflict is to Economically Collapse Europe #288
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Geopolitics & Empire:
Geopolitics and Empire is joined by French intellectual and author Thierry Meyssan, who is the founder of Voltaire Network International, a web of non-aligned press groups dedicated to analysis of international relations. His books include, 9/11: the Big Lie, and Before Our Very Eyes: Fake Wars and Big Lies from 9/11 to Donald Trump. Thank you for joining me, Thierry.
Thierry Meyssan:
Hello.
Geopolitics & Empire:
I've been a huge fan of your website, Voltaire Network. I have been reading it for more than 10 years. Some of my dissident professors told me if you want to have a better understanding of the world, you need to read a Voltaire Global Research, Executive Intelligence Review, and other such websites.
And I've been a huge fan of your work. And I wanted to get your thoughts on what's happening in the world today. I believe you have said that the current crisis in Ukraine was instigated by Washington and Kiev, and that's something I tend to believe, and that their goal is to remove Russia from the international scene, that they are trying to wipe out all traces of Russian culture in the West.
And secondly, they're trying to weaken the European Union. And interestingly, this week, President Putin said, "What's going on today is the demolition of the unipolar world system that was created after the collapse of the Soviet Union." Can you give us your thoughts, your analysis on how you see what's happening in Ukraine and if you think this is the end of the unipolar moment, and what does all of this mean?
Thierry Meyssan:
You will have a totally different vision of conflict if you think this conflict only since two months or if you've observed the world since 30 years. If you see the world since 30 years, you see how the U.S. try to impose this unipolar system and how much conflict they have created, how much people they have killed everywhere in the world. If you see only since two week to two months, you will say, "Oh, but if there is some problem for the Russian in Ukraine, why they don't go to United Nations?" You will not understand really what happened.
In fact, since the collapse of Soviet Union, the U.S. try to prevent any other power to challenge them. So, at that time Russia was nothing. It was totally collapsing. And the first idea of its people was to stop the European Union. They think European Union is a great market, but must never become a political power.
So, what happened now is the direct consequence of this way of thinking. You see the armored conflict in Ukraine, but the reaction to this conflict is not against Russia, it is against for Europeans. They use this conflict to popularize, to create an economic collapse in Europe.
And you will see, it will arrive. It will arrive. Of course, if you want to attack the Russia, it's not possible. Because Russia, it's much more powerful than the United States on the military level, I say. Of course, not at all on the financial level. But in every conflict, when you have finance against military, the military won, always.
Geopolitics & Empire:
And do you feel that Russia will be successful in its goals, in its operation? How do you feel, or do you feel that this situation in Ukraine will continue for many years, like a Yugoslavia type situation? Or do you feel people talk about a World War III type scenario? Where do you think things will go?
Thierry Meyssan:
Yeah, since I think 10, 12 years, something like that, you have a big development of Nazi in the Ukraine. But Nazi is not the exact word. They are Banderites. They are follower of Stepan Bandera, that's not the same thing than the Nazi.
But during the World War they were all working all together against the population. But the Banderites, they think racially. They think that they are from German or Scandinavian origin. But not Slav, not at all.
So, when the Russians, Slavs, are under [inaudible 00:06:27] and during 12 years, this group grow, grow, grow in Ukraine. Two months ago, they taught in the schools that Ukraine was an independent country only because the Nazi helped them. This is the official thinking. They put a lot of Nazi symbol everywhere. They build the monuments to Stepan Bandera and to the Nazi. So, but the first point for the Russian to destroy all these Nazi symbols to clean the handbook in the schools. And of course it must be evident for everybody such thing, because this way thinking brought us immediately to the war, it's abuse.
We can't accept inequality between the human beings, but since Poroshenko, I think... President Poroshenko developed the idea that less people in Donbas must be whipped out of the scene. In a public speech, he said that you will not give them any allocation, any support. It's only for the people for the German and Scandinavia people, not for the Slav people. The people in Donbas reject this government in Kyiv, they ask for an autonomous system for them.
First, Kyiv accept with means agreement, but quite immediately, they refused to accept this agreement they have already signed. So since eight years, you have a war against the people in Donbas. And this rule of the Nazi system is so big that just before this war, you have a one third of the armored forces of Ukraine are Nazi forces. One third, that's official. You have the army and you have what they call the national guard of the territorial guard and these people that's only Nazi militia.
Geopolitics & Empire:
These Azov battalions, right?
Thierry Meyssan:
For instance, you have the as of regimen, but that's only a part of this [Banderian 00:10:37] system. They have MPs also, they created an official Nazi party and they enter in the national assembly. Nobody protests, it's very surprising for me how the West could accept such things, but they are against Russia and, but all for us.
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I am a Slav, I guess I would also be considered [inaudible 00:12:42]....
