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In this episode of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast, Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison are joined by Dr. Sherry Walling. Sherry is a clinical psychologist, speaker, podcaster, author, and mental health advocate. Her company, ZenFounder, helps entrepreneurs and leaders navigate among other things transition, rapid growth, and loss. She hosts the ZenFounder Podcast, which has been called a “must listen” by both Forbes and Entrepreneur Magazine and has been downloaded more than 1,000,000 times. She was also the host of Mind Curious, a podcast series exploring innovations in mental health care via psychedelics.
We talk to Sherry Today about her new book, Touching Two Worlds.

(2:28) Sherry introduces herself
(3:20) Sherry is a circus artist
(6:48) Sherry's grief story and the inspiration for her book
(12:53) Sherry's experience with psychedelic-assisted therapy for grief
(15:50) The value of defense mechanisms 
(17:50) Embodied practices and physical expression for processing grief
(23:22) MAPS MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD
(24:20) The duality inherent in the grief process
(26:00) The Wild Edge of Sorrow, by Francis Weller, MFT
(26:45) Honoring your grief and comparing it to childbirth
(30:33) What psychedelic-assisted therapy has to offer in the grief process
(33:33) The parallels between supporting infants and those whose lives are ending
(36:12) Different types of grief
(40:36) Reid's experience with grief during an ayahuasca experience
(45:35) Sherry's experience writing such a personal book
(48:00) Sherry's, website, Instagram and ZenFounder business

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