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Dave Lutz is a therapist in Seattle who works with families, couples, men, youth, and more. He's also a former college pastor at a mega-church whose faith journey has evolved and simplified into a spacious and beautiful place. And he's Randy's former college pastor who is in many ways to blame for who Randy is and what he's doing on this podcast. Dave recently wrote a book called Freedom for the Ragged Saint, and we took that as an opportunity to share this beautiful person with our PPWB community. We talk about deconstruction, growth, conservatism, order, method, minimalism, systems theory, and much more.

The whiskey we tasted in this episode is Davidson Reserve Small Batch bourbon.

The tasting is at 3:59. To skip to the interview, go to 7:08.

You can find the transcript for this episode here. 

Content note: this episode contains some mild profanity.

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