In episode 512, I had the incredible opportunity to sit down with Hal Elrod, the inspirational author and mind behind the Miracle Morning philosophy. We dived deep into the evolution of his renowned morning routine, his journey through cancer, and the impactful insights from his updated Miracle Morning routine. It's an episode that's not just about morning habits but also about resilience, adaptation, and the power of sustained effort in the face of life’s challenges.
Hal shared how his practices have adapted over time, especially considering his unique needs as a night owl. We also explored the transformative power of his philosophy, not just in improving the start of one's day, but in shifting perspectives on what's truly important in life. This episode is packed with wisdom and practical advice for anyone looking to make a meaningful change in their life.
Key Discussion Points

Hal Elrod’s updated Miracle Morning routine and its impact.

The evolution of the Miracle Morning practice, including how to tailor it for night owls.

Insights from Hal's personal cancer journey and its influence on his philosophy.

The importance of unwavering faith and extraordinary effort in achieving goals.

Strategies for night owls to implement the Miracle Morning effectively.


Hal's insights and experiences offer a fresh perspective on the Miracle Morning philosophy, making it more inclusive and adaptable for different lifestyles. His resilience and dedication to personal growth, despite significant challenges, are truly inspiring. Whether you're a seasoned fan of the Miracle Morning or new to the concept, this episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to enhance their daily routine and overall perspective on life.
Links Worth Exploring

Connect with Hal: X | Facebook | Website


Watch The Miracle Morning Movie: YouTube


Buy the Book: Check It Out


Get The Miracle Routine: Buy it on Amazon


Related Conversation: Episode 196: Morning Routines with Benjamin Spall


Related Blog Post: My Daily Routine



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Hal Elrod Talks About Revamping “The Miracle Morning” and Embracing Challenges

Hosted by productivity strategist Mike Vardy, A Productive Conversation is a podcast that discusses tips, tools, tactics, and tricks that are designed to help you take your productivity, time management, goals, to do lists, habits, and workflow to new heights - both at work and at home. If you're looking to focus your efforts on getting the right things done and start living the good life, then this weekly conversational podcast – crafted in the tradition of Slate's Working, Back to Work, and HBR IdeaCast – is for you.

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In this episode, I'm joined by Steven Bertrand, who shares his inspiring transition from blogging and web design to becoming a public speaker and a meditation advocate.
In this episode, we explore how Steven has overcome significant personal challenges and how meditation has played a pivotal role in his life From tackling physical disabilities to changing career paths, Steven's story is a testament to the power of resilience and the importance of mindfulness in achieving balance and inner peace.
Key Discussion Points


Journey from Blogging to Public Speaking: Steven reflects on his evolution from a blogger to a sought-after public speaker, emphasizing the role of meditation in gaining deeper insights and confidence.


Overcoming Disability: Steven discusses the challenges he faced due to his disability and how meditation helped him overcome these obstacles and pursue his passions.


Importance of Accessibility: A significant part of our conversation was dedicated to the necessity for accessibility in business and public spaces, with Steven sharing personal experiences and actionable advice for organizations.


The Impact of Meditation: Both guests discuss how meditation has been instrumental in reducing their anxiety and enhancing their mental health, with yours truly highlighting its benefits in improving my focus and productivity.


Mindfulness for Everyday Life: The conversation also touches on how meditation is not just a practice but a lifestyle that enhances the quality of everyday life, helping individuals stay grounded in stressful situations.


Encouraging Meditation Practice: Both of us advocate for making meditation a priority, sharing tips and strategies for integrating it into busy schedules.


This episode has been an enlightening journey through the life of someone who has used meditation not just as a tool for personal growth but as a way to face life's challenges head-on. Whether you are dealing with personal hurdles or looking to improve your productivity and mental health, the insights offered valuable lessons on the benefits of embracing mindfulness. Remember to check out Steve's meditation classes and more resources to start your own journey in meditation.
Links Worth Exploring

Connect with Steven: Website | X/Twitter | Facebook | YouTube


Steven's Zoom meditation classes: Check them out


Related Conversation: Episode 515: Haemin Sunim Talks About Zen Wisdom for Life’s Challenges


Related Blog Post: How to Wake Up a Sleepwalking Mind



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Steven Bertrand Talks About Overcoming Challenges and Embracing Meditation

In this latest installment of our monthly series PM Talks, I had the pleasure of chatting with my good friend Patrick Rhone about the vast theme of choices and how they weave through our personal and professional lives. This episode delves into everything from the cultural impact of wrestling to the profound topics of longevity, mortality, and the essence of making the most of our time. Patrick, with his characteristic insight and depth, brings a unique perspective to these discussions, challenging us to reconsider our priorities and the legacy we aim to leave behind.
Our conversation wasn't just about the heavy stuff; we also touched on lighter yet equally significant aspects of daily life, such as job satisfaction, the fast food culture, and the evolution of meal service delivery. Patrick's reflections on identity and success, alongside our shared experiences with fast food and personal happiness, reveal the complex interplay between societal norms and individual fulfillment. It's this balance of thought-provoking and relatable content that makes our dialogue not just informative but also incredibly engaging.
Key Discussion Points

The significance of choice in our lives, from cultural preferences to professional paths.

Our shared love for professional wrestling and its evolution from regional circuits to global entertainment.

Reflecting on the longevity of both podcasting and wrestling, and what it means to sustain passion over time.

The societal emphasis on quantity over quality in life expectancy and how it shapes our approach to aging and mortality.

The importance of finding satisfaction in one's job, whether it's a high-flying tech position or a routine clock-punching job.

Navigating the convenience and challenges of fast food in the context of busy family lives and the rise of meal prep services.

Implementing productive morning and evening routines to manage time effectively and make room for what truly matters.


Closing this episode, Patrick and I contemplate the bittersweet nature of nostalgia and the inevitability of mortality, underscoring the importance of saying "yes" to life's experiences. Through our discourse, we invite listeners to reflect on the choices they make, the value of embracing the present, and the importance of crafting a life filled with meaningful moments. Whether you're contemplating a career pivot, struggling with time management, or simply looking for ways to infuse more joy into your daily routine, there's something in this conversation for you.
Links Worth Exploring

Get Patrick’s Book: A Book for You

If you like the Hartford Whalers…

If you liked the Burger King “Whaler” sandwich…

Check out Patrick's website.

Read some Rhoneisms here.


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PM Talks S1E5: What Do You Want From Us?

In this engaging episode of the podcast, I sit down with Mat Ellis, a pioneer in the productivity software arena, to explore how modern tools like AI can enhance both our work efficiency and our personal lives. We delve into the evolution of productivity platforms, particularly Mat's work with Sixty, and discuss the significant impact of these tools on our daily routines.
As we navigate through the conversation, Mat provides profound insights into the delicate balance between leveraging technology and maintaining genuine human interactions. This discussion is crucial for anyone looking to optimize their time management without sacrificing personal connections.
Key Discussion Points

The Evolution of Productivity Software: We discuss the origins and growth of the productivity platform Sixty, tracing its development from the early productivity revolution.

Technology as a Burden: Reflections on how the role of computers has shifted from being supportive tools to potential burdens, impacting both productivity and work-life balance.

Managing Communication Overload: Strategies on using software to manage email and communication overload, including AI's role in prioritizing important messages.

Automating with AI: Benefits of AI in automating routine tasks and implementing systems like the daily out-of-office, which helps manage email flow outside work hours.

AI and Human Interaction: The potential and limitations of AI in productivity and time management, emphasizing the importance of human creativity and interaction.

Personalized Communication: The value of personalized communication in relationship and time management, with examples of AI's role in enhancing these interactions.

Productivity vs. Relationship Nourishment: Discussing the balance between achieving productivity goals and nurturing personal relationships, emphasizing the importance of focusing on what truly matters.


My conversation with Mat Ellis was enlightening, showing us the potential of AI to transform our work habits and personal interactions. As we continue to integrate these technologies into our lives, it's vital to remain aware of the human element that fosters genuine connections and creativity. Remember, it's not just about being productive—it's about being meaningfully engaged with our tasks and the people around us.
Links Worth Exploring

Connect with Mat: Website | X/Twitter | LinkedIn


A little bit more on Jerry Colonna: Check out the Reunion website


Terry Crews with Rich Roll on "Nuance": Watch the clip | Watch the entire episode


Related Conversation: Episode 472: The Evolution of Getting Things Done with David Allen


Related Blog Post: Why Improving Your Relationship with Time is the Key to Mastering It



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Mat Ellis Talks About Balancing Productivity and Personal Connection with AI

In this episode, originally broadcast in April 2020, I'm joined by Thomas Frank, a prominent content creator who has significantly influenced the YouTube and productivity community. Thomas opens up about his journey into video creation, sharing the nuances of his creative process and how he has successfully integrated his personal interests with productivity content. From the initial inspiration to the complexities of content creation and management, Thomas provides a comprehensive look into the life of a content creator striving to deliver valuable, engaging content.
As someone eager to dive into video content creation myself, Thomas's experiences and insights come at a perfect time. His journey from starting on YouTube in 2006 to becoming a serious content creator, inspired by folks like Pat Flynn and driven by a desire to infuse creativity into productivity, is nothing short of inspiring. We delve into the challenges of balancing creative energy with time management, and how personal interests can significantly enhance the content creation process.
Key Discussion Points

Thomas's transition into serious video content creation, inspired by Pat Flynn and the desire to deliver a powerful message through video.

The integration of personal interests with productivity content, creating unique and engaging videos.

The detailed research and personal testing that go into creating each video, emphasizing quality over quantity.

Challenges in managing creative energy and time, especially when balancing long-form projects with the demands of short-form content.

The importance of authenticity in content creation, drawing from a broad range of influences beyond the productivity genre.

Struggles with deciding on video topics, last-minute content compromises, and the balance between creative work and business responsibilities.

Leveraging existing audiences for new ventures, such as transitioning into music and exploring platforms like Nebula for content monetization.


My conversation with Thomas Frank sheds light on the multifaceted world of content creation, from the inception of an idea to the execution and beyond. His approach to blending productivity with creativity, while facing the challenges of time management and audience expectations, offers invaluable lessons for aspiring creators. Thomas's journey is a testament to the power of authenticity and the importance of integrating personal passions with professional endeavors. As we wrap up, it's clear that the key to successful content creation lies in finding a balance that resonates both with the creator and their audience.
Links Worth Exploring

Connect with Thomas: Website | X/Twitter | Main YouTube Channel


Check out "Thomas Franks Explains": YouTube Channel


Thomas Interviews ME: Listen here


The original version of this episode for more links: Check it out here


Related Conversation: Episode 389: A/J Jackson talks about Music, Glasses and Color Theory


Related Blog Post: The Power of Bit by Bit Productivity



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FROM THE VAULT: Thomas Frank Talks About Elevating Creativity in Productivity

In an enlightening conversation with Dr. Dale Whelehan, CEO of Four Day Week Global, we dive into the evolving landscape of work and the compelling argument for a four-day workweek. This discussion unfolds organically, touching on the profound benefits that a shortened workweek can offer not just to individual productivity and well-being but also to the broader societal and business landscapes. Dr. Whelehan, with his extensive research and leadership in advocating for this shift, sheds light on why the century-old five-day workweek is ripe for change, especially in today's context of cognitive and emotional labor.
The COVID-19 pandemic has undeniably accelerated the reevaluation of work culture, pushing us into a realm where the tension between traditional and emerging work paradigms is more palpable than ever. Using the metaphor of a frog slowly boiling in water, we discuss how employees and employers are navigating this shift, with many seeking a balance that seems increasingly elusive. Dr. Whelehan highlights the critical dissonance at play, pointing out the pressing need for workplaces to adapt to what truly works for their people, rather than adhering to outdated modes that breed burnout and inefficiency.
Key Discussion Points

The relaxed and organic tone of productive conversations on significant shifts in work culture.

The mission of Four Day Week Global and the societal, business, and individual benefits of a four-day workweek.

Historical context and the evolution of work from physical to cognitive demands, highlighting the necessity for change.

The impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on work intensity and the shift in employee-employer dynamics.

The concept of a "productivity intervention" as a sustainable approach to improving workplace output and well-being.

The significance of motivation and the science behind it in enhancing productivity within a reduced working week.

Challenges and strategies in implementing flexible work schedules across different cultures and industries.


My discussion with Dr. Whelehan offers a thought-provoking glimpse into the future of work, one that champions flexibility, well-being, and efficiency. The four-day workweek, as Dr. Whelehan articulates, is not just a fleeting trend but a pivotal movement towards redefining productivity and quality of life for employees around the globe. As we reflect on the cultural and logistical nuances of this transition, it becomes clear that the path to a more balanced, fulfilling work-life is paved with trust, collaboration, and a willingness to challenge the status quo. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of productivity, well-being, and the future of work.
Links Worth Exploring

Connect with Dr. Whelehan: Website | X/Twitter | LinkedIn


Learn more about the four day week initiative: Visit 4 Day Week Global's website


Check out Time Thieves: Find out where to watch the documentary here


Related Conversation: Episode 511: Francesco D’Alessio Talks About Innovative Productivity Apps and Methodologies


Related Blog Post: The 10 Hour Work Week



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Hal Elrod Talks About Revamping “The Miracle Morning” and Embracing Challenges

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