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Steve Kamb is the founder of Nerd Fitness, which has grown over 17 years into a platform that has coached more than 20,000 people one-on-one. His new book, How to Try Again, grew out of that work — specifically from the most universal problem he kept encountering across thousands of conversations: the all-or-nothing mindset. Steve built a four-part framework called PACT — Pause, Accept, Change, Try — to help people break the doom loop and stop waiting for ideal conditions that never arrive.

Six Discussion Points

• The pause is the hardest part of PACT not because it requires effort, but because it requires restraint — and our productivity culture has no patience for it. Slowing down feels like falling behind, when it's often the only way to figure out if you're even moving in the right direction.
• "Normal" is not a destination you return to — it's whatever your actual days look like right now, including the chaos, the interruptions, and the laundry on the floor. Waiting for a predictable routine to materialize before you start is a way of never starting.
• Before you commit to a goal, ask the question most people skip: What if this works? If success means you have to keep doing the thing you hate, you've picked the wrong goal. The reward for getting good at Instagram is that you have to keep doing Instagram.
• Treating your next attempt like a non-judgmental experiment — part scientist, part detective — removes the weight of outcome and replaces it with curiosity. You're not measuring whether you become the person you admired; you're measuring what you learned about yourself.
• The doom loop compounds. Every incomplete attempt doesn't just reset the clock; it adds guilt and shame to the pile you're already carrying. Recognizing the loop is the first step to using one of the escape pods Steve calls "half-assing it" — doing the most of the thing you can do today, rather than the ideal version of it.
• Steve effectively fired himself as CEO of his own company to get back to the work he actually loved — writing. The book that resulted is his most personal project, and it came from applying PACT to his own life: pausing, accepting who he really is, changing his role, and trying again on his own terms.

Three Connection Points

• How to Try Again by Steve Kamb — howtotryagain.com
• Nerd Fitness — Steve's 17-year-old community and platform: nerdfitness.com
• Stop Managing Your Time, Start Crafting It — My piece on the TimeCrafting approach, which shares a lot of philosophical ground with Steve's ideas about working within your actual constraints rather than imagined ones: Read it on Medium

The conversation Steve and I had goes back sixteen years, and there's something fitting about the fact that both of us have spent that time learning — the hard way, repeatedly — that the frameworks and tools only work when they're built around the life you're actually living. PACT isn't a productivity system. It's permission to be human and then do something about it. If you've been waiting for the right moment to try again, this might be the episode that helps you stop waiting.

If this episode resonated, I’m exploring ideas like these more deeply in my upcoming book, Productiveness. You can follow along as it takes shape at mikevardy.com/productiveness.

This episode is brought to you by Your Clockwise Week—a personalized weekly structure built around your actual life, not an ideal one. If your week feels full but not fitting, you can learn more at mikevardy.com/yourclockwiseweek.

This time around, Patrick and I dove into a word that doesn't get nearly enough airtime in 2026: prudence. It's one of those terms that has been moralized, gendered, and generally squeezed out of everyday conversation. But it's also one of the nine principles in my upcoming book Productiveness, and the more I unpack it, the more convinced I am that it's something we're all practicing quietly — even when we don't call it by name.

Six Discussion Points

• Prudence traces back to the mid-14th century as a concept tied to intelligence, foresight, and practical wisdom — and it sits alongside justice, fortitude, and temperance as one of the four classical cardinal virtues. That's a lot of weight for a word most people associate with Dana Carvey doing George H.W. Bush.
• The word has faded from everyday use for a few reasons: it got moralized through its religious and philosophical associations, it became a common woman's name that then fell out of fashion, and perhaps most crucially, it got sidelined by a speed culture that has no patience for anything that feels unhurried.
• Prudence lives in interesting territory between "too soft" words like intentional and "too hard" words like strategic or tactical. It carries a moral dimension that neither of those fully captures, which is part of why it's so hard to replace and so easy to overlook.
• The connection between prudence and AI turned into one of the richest threads we pulled on. Patrick made the point that AI is fundamentally not prudent — it doesn't tolerate known unknowns well, and tends to hallucinate its way toward confident-sounding answers even on questions that science genuinely hasn't resolved (yawning being a particularly delightful example). Applying AI prudently means knowing where human judgment still has to lead.
• Evening routines and morning preparation came up as lived examples of prudence in action — laying out clothes the night before, prepping dinner before your brain is fully engaged, checking in with a collaborator ahead of a scheduled call. Prudence often shows up in the small, low-glamour decisions we make before we even know we'll need them.
• Patrick, who does circus rigging work, offered a line that I think is the most compressed definition of prudence I've heard: "Slow is smooth and smooth is fast." When you're under time pressure — two minutes to set up a flying net — the prudent approach isn't to rush. It's to move deliberately, know the order of operations, and trust that the method will get you there faster than panic will.

Three Connection Points

1. Patrick Rhone's blog post: Thoughts on AI and the Known Unknowns
2. Ryan Holiday's video responding to Ivanka Trump's comments on stoicism
3. Mike's upcoming book Productiveness, where prudence is one of the nine core principles

Patrick and I will be back next month for PM Talks S3E7, where we're taking on a word with a lot of range: tolerance. It means something very specific in rigging and something very different in everyday conversation, and I suspect we'll cover a fair bit of ground on both fronts. In the meantime, I hope this episode gives you an excuse to bring "prudence" back into your vocabulary — and more importantly, to notice the places where you're already living it.

If this episode resonated, I’m exploring ideas like these more deeply in my upcoming book, Productiveness. You can follow along as it takes shape at mikevardy.com/productiveness.

This episode is brought to you by Your Clockwise Week—a personalized weekly structure built around your actual life, not an ideal one. If your week feels full but not fitting, you can learn more at mikevardy.com/yourclockwiseweek.

George Barrios is the former Co-President and Co-CEO of WWE and the author of Sometimes Wrong, Never in Doubt: How a Cuban Kid from Queens Transformed WWE. The book traces the lessons he gathered growing up in Flushing, Queens, through his rise inside corporate America, and into the center of a global media pivot that Wall Street initially ridiculed — and later celebrated as one of the most brilliant transformations in the public markets. I jumped at the chance to have this conversation. As a lifelong wrestling fan, I made that abundantly clear. This is a bonus episode, and it more than earned its runtime.

Six Discussion Points

• Real confidence isn't a personality trait — it's a record of preparation. The "sometimes wrong, never in doubt" mantra only holds up when it's earned through genuine craft-level work, not performance or false bravado.
• The Swamp of Despair is a real and necessary part of doing anything great — George and his co-CEO Michelle Wilson lived through it during WWE's transformation, and the graphic that mapped that arc became a touchstone for leading others through uncertainty without showing doubt.
• Your first zip code never fully leaves you — George's Queens upbringing shaped his willingness to disagree, push back intellectually, and refuse to accept "that's just how it is" as an answer. That edge has a shadow side, but directed well, it becomes a competitive advantage.
• Winning the battle for time, not just eyeballs — the strategic reframe that drove WWE's entire media approach was measuring time spent consuming content, not raw view counts. Attention lives inside time, and that distinction changed everything.
• Writing is the process by which you discover you don't know what you're talking about — George's most consistent advice to anyone starting out is to read and write relentlessly, not as discipline, but as the only real way to develop a genuine point of view.
• Inversion thinking as a practical tool — when George and Michelle were on the phone with lawyers trying to shut down pirated WWE content in China, flipping the assumption entirely led to one of the most counterintuitive and consequential decisions of the transformation. Assume you're wrong. Ask what you'd do then.

Three Connection Points

• Sometimes Wrong, Never in Doubt by George Barrios
• Readwise — the book highlight recall tool George uses daily to surface and connect past reading:
• What is TimeCrafting? Mike Vardy on managing your relationship with time

This bonus episode didn't come with a polished set of talking points — it came with the kind of directness that only develops after you've been in enough rooms where the stakes were real and hesitation wasn't an option. If there's one thing I want you to take from this conversation, it's that the confidence worth having isn't something you put on. It's something that accumulates quietly, from doing the work no one is watching. Sit with that for a while.

If this episode resonated, I’m exploring ideas like these more deeply in my upcoming book, Productiveness. You can follow along as it takes shape at mikevardy.com/productiveness.

This episode is brought to you by Your Clockwise Week—a personalized weekly structure built around your actual life, not an ideal one. If your week feels full but not fitting, you can learn more at mikevardy.com/yourclockwiseweek.

That's the argument Kyle Austin Young makes in his book Success is a Numbers Game. Kyle isn't asking you to become a pessimist. He's asking you to stop pretending uncertainty doesn't exist — and start using it as a lever. This episode gets into probability, decision-making, and what it actually means to give yourself better odds.

Six Discussion Points

• The reason generic optimism fails: unnamed, unfocused anxiety doesn't disappear when you think positive — it just goes underground
• Why "success is a numbers game" isn't about obsessing over data, but about acknowledging that ignoring uncertainty is its own kind of risk
• The averaging trap: multiplying the odds of what has to go right reveals a predicted failure even when each individual step feels doable
• How the Miracle on Ice reframes as probability rather than miracle — and what the US hockey program's subsequent growth tells us about the compounding effect of one win
• The success diagram as a practical tool: mapping what has to go right, identifying the potential bad outcomes beneath each step, and using creativity to reduce those risks
• Why AI is most useful in this framework as a brainstorming partner — helping you surface obstacles and workarounds you might not think to name on your own

Three Connection Points

• Success is a Numbers Game by Kyle Austin Young
• Connect with Kyle on LinkedIn
• Stop Managing Your Time. Start Crafting Your Time Instead. A complementary piece designed to help you structure your time so the pauses Kyle recommends actually have a place to land

What Kyle is really describing is the difference between hoping things go well and actively improving the odds that they will. That's a distinction that matters whether you're chasing a career goal, building a creative practice, or simply trying to follow through on what you said you'd do. The success diagram isn't a complicated tool — it's a focused one. And focus, as Kyle puts it, is what lets you live your life and still recognize the right moment when it arrives. If this conversation shifted something for you, I'd encourage you to sit with it — and maybe grab the book.

If this episode resonated, I’m exploring ideas like these more deeply in my upcoming book, Productiveness. You can follow along as it takes shape at mikevardy.com/productiveness.

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This episode is the second in a series of solo livestreams I've been running, and it builds directly on last week's conversation about why busy isn't a badge — it's a blur. If busyness adds motion to the blur, intentional living is what clears it. What I'm walking through today is the operating system I use to do that: TimeCrafting. Not as a concept, but as something that actually runs your day-to-day life.

Six Discussion Points

• The word "intentional" has been so overused it's nearly meaningless — and reclaiming its operational definition is the first step toward building a life that reflects what you actually value.
• Most people oscillate between the Ruthless Realm (all output, no alignment) and the Reckless Realm (all ideas, no follow-through) — and TimeCrafting is the path back to the Reasoned Realm, where choices are anchored rather than accidental.
• Reason isn't logic and it isn't emotion — it lives in the middle, and it's harder to sustain precisely because it offers less of the certainty that binary thinking provides.
• Daily themes aren't a rigid schedule — they're a gravitational pull, a lens you apply to your day rather than a rule you enforce on it, and a theme day that honors 70% still builds the cadence that intentional living depends on.
• The most clarifying question you can ask at any decision point is: "Am I acting from intention or inertia?" — and the answer often reveals whether you're building momentum or simply filling time with motion.
• TimeCrafting isn't just for work — the most durable themes are universal ones (connection, attunement, exploration, stewardship) that apply equally to your personal and professional life, which means you don't have to shift modes when you leave your desk.

Three Connection Points

• Check out the YouTube channel
• The Productivity Diet — goes deeper into mindset, method, and mastery across the TimeCrafting approach
• Previous episode in this series: Busy Isn't a Badge — It's a Blur — the setup for everything covered here

Intentional living isn't something you install once and leave running in the background. It's something you return to — like a rhythm, like a practice. The question isn't whether you're productive. It's whether you're willing yourself toward the right things. That distinction is where TimeCrafting lives. And if this episode gave you even one question worth sitting with — whether it's "what day is it?" or "am I acting from intention or inertia?" — then it's already doing its job.

If this episode resonated, I’m exploring ideas like these more deeply in my upcoming book, Productiveness. You can follow along as it takes shape at mikevardy.com/productiveness.

This episode is brought to you by Your Clockwise Week—a personalized weekly structure built around your actual life, not an ideal one. If your week feels full but not fitting, you can learn more at mikevardy.com/yourclockwiseweek.

Dawna Ballard is a professor of organizational communication at the University of Texas at Austin, where she specializes in chronemics — the study of time as it relates to human communication. Her book, Time by Design: How Communicating Slow Allows Us to Go Fast, draws on decades of field research across medical settings, child advocacy networks, and organizations of all kinds to make a case that's both counterintuitive and deeply practical: slowing down your communication is often the fastest thing you can do.

Six Discussion Points

• The distinction between time — the clocks, calendars, meetings, and appointments we design — and temporality — the natural rhythm of relationships, sleep, learning, and meaningful conversation — isn't just semantic. It's the lens through which everything else about productivity either clarifies or collapses.
• The Children's Advocacy Centers case study is one of the most compelling real-world arguments for slow design: agencies handling urgent child abuse cases discovered that pausing for regular 90-minute monthly meetings didn't cost them time — it gave them speed, trust, and accuracy across the entire system.
• The obsession with efficiency didn't emerge from wisdom. It came from factory capitalism, Frederick Taylor's time-and-motion studies, and the industrialist impulse to extract skill from workers and standardize it. For knowledge work, creative work, or relational work, it's simply the wrong operating system.
• Speed activates the nervous system the same way physical threats once did. When we treat every delay as a danger — a long line, a slow inbox, a stalled meeting — we stay in low-grade fight-or-flight. And that's not a state in which anyone does their best work.
• The return-to-office push isn't really a productivity argument. At its core, it's a trust issue dressed in the language of culture — and forcing people into physical spaces doesn't resolve the underlying misalignment between what organizations measure and what actually produces quality work.
• AI is most useful when it handles the quantity tasks — summarizing, simplifying, organizing — so that humans can stay focused on the quality work that requires genuine thought, relationship, and judgment. The key is knowing which is which.

Three Connection Points

1. Time by Design — Published by MIT Press, available wherever books are sold, including Kindle/Amazon. This is the kind of book you sit with, not sprint through.
2. Time Thieves documentary — Explores the Greek concepts of Kronos and Kairos through case studies from Japan, Germany, Italy, and the UK. A rare look at how different cultures experience the collision of time and temporality.
3. Are You Polychronic or Monochronic? — CBC Radio / The Current — This is the piece that put Dawna on my radar. It introduces her research on "time personalities" — the idea that chronic lateness or rigid punctuality often isn't a character flaw but a reflection of how someone is wired to experience time. A good entry point before diving into the book.

Dawna references a phrase the Navy SEALs use: slow is smooth, and smooth is fast. She reaches for it deliberately. It isn't a rejection of speed — it's a reframe of how you earn it. If you've been treating speed as the destination rather than the evidence that something deeper is working, this conversation is worth more than one listen. And if you want to keep thinking about what it means to stop doing productive and start being productive, that's exactly what we'll keep exploring here.

Until next time, remember: stop doing productive, start being productive. See you later.

If this episode resonated, I’m exploring ideas like these more deeply in my upcoming book, Productiveness. You can follow along as it takes shape at mikevardy.com/productiveness.

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Because the thread running through everything we talked about — travel, family dynamics, technological change, self-judgment, and the way small kindnesses move through the world — turned out to be the same one: grace. Grace is also one of the principles at the heart of my upcoming book, Productiveness, which made this one feel especially fitting to sit with. If you've been wondering what that book is actually about, this episode gives you a meaningful glimpse.

Six Discussion Points:

• Grace starts with goodwill — not as a feeling, but as a practice. We dig into what it actually means to operate with grace day to day, and why it takes more intention than most people give it credit for.
• Travel is one of the best teachers of grace around. From adjusting to late dinner culture in Greece and Portugal to ordering a chicken by pointing at the ones still running around a yard in the Philippines, travel asks you to meet the unfamiliar with openness rather than resistance.
• Balancing everyone's needs on Patrick's Greece trip required grace in a very real, logistical way — from his daughter's Mamma Mia pilgrimage to his and his wife's 20th anniversary. The fact that everyone left feeling like the trip was complete says a lot about how that went.
• I share a real-time example of reacting instead of responding — a strongly-worded email, a refund request, and some after-the-fact digging that made me feel briefly foolish before I decided to give myself some grace about the whole thing.
• We get into grace and cancel culture, and the difference between holding someone accountable and refusing them any room to grow or change. It is okay to change your mind. In fact, it might be one of the most graceful things a person can do.
• Small acts of grace echo further than you think. Patrick's daughter writing thoughtful notes to the colleges she's declining. Paying for a stranger's coffee without mentioning it. You don't know what someone is carrying, which is exactly why grace doesn't need full information to operate.

Three Connection Points

• Patrick Rhone's website — the best place to start to find everything Patrick has going on.
• Productiveness — my upcoming book, where grace appears as one of its core principles.
• New to the show? I've been putting out solo episodes of A Productive Conversation as well — here's one right here. You can also find them in your podcast app of choice.

Patrick and I covered a lot of ground this month, and I think that's because grace is one of those ideas that shows up everywhere once you start looking for it. Whether you're navigating a foreign dinner schedule, giving someone the benefit of the doubt, or just deciding not to beat yourself up over a to-do list that didn't get finished — grace is the practice underneath all of it. We'll be back next month for another round of PM Talks, and in the meantime, I hope this one gives you something worth sitting with.

If this episode resonated, I’m exploring ideas like these more deeply in my upcoming book, Productiveness. You can follow along as it takes shape at mikevardy.com/productiveness.

This episode is brought to you by Your Clockwise Week—a personalized weekly structure built around your actual life, not an ideal one. If your week feels full but not fitting, you can learn more at mikevardy.com/yourclockwiseweek.

Overwhelm isn’t new. It’s human. That idea sits at the heart of my conversation with Dr. Max McKeown—strategic advisor, keynote speaker, and author of SuperAdaptability: How to Transcend in an Age of Overwhelm. From the very start, Max challenges the notion that we’re living through a uniquely chaotic moment, arguing instead that overwhelm has always been part of the human condition.

What follows is a thoughtful, recursive conversation about loops, space, nuance, and the difference between doing productive things and actually living productively. We explore how humans adapt consciously, why systems need slack to function, and how upgrading the way we upgrade ourselves may be the most important skill we have.

Six Discussion Points

• Why the “age of overwhelm” isn’t temporary—and never really was
• The danger of confusing productivity with productiveness
• How loops shape our behavior whether we notice them or not
• Why space is essential for adaptation in systems, work, and life
• The role of nuance, humility, and reason in conscious change
• What it means to “upgrade your upgrade” through metaplasticity

Three Connection Points

• SuperAdaptability: How to Transcend in an Age of Overwhelm
• Max McKeown on LinkedIn
• Productiveness

This conversation is less about answers and more about awareness—about noticing the loops we’re already in and choosing how we engage with them. If you’ve ever felt busy but not better, productive but not present, this episode offers a different way to look at adaptation—and at yourself.

If this episode resonated, I’m exploring ideas like these more deeply in my upcoming book, Productiveness. You can follow along as it takes shape at mikevardy.com/productiveness.

This episode is brought to you by Your Clockwise Week—a personalized weekly structure built around your actual life, not an ideal one. If your week feels full but not fitting, you can learn more at mikevardy.com/yourclockwiseweek.

Mark Manson is the author of The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck and Everything Is F*cked: A Book About Hope, two of the most widely read books in the personal development space over the last decade. He's the host of the Solved podcast, where he and his research team do exhaustive, long-form deep dives on the ideas most podcasters treat like talking points. And he recently co-founded Purpose, an AI-powered platform designed to make personal growth coaching accessible at scale. Mark and I have a lot of shared territory in this conversation—and a few places where we push each other in productive directions.

Six Discussion Points

• The backwards law in action: why every message of "you need to improve" carries an implicit second message—that you're not enough as you are right now
• Why optimal is suboptimal—and how relentless optimization can make the quality of your actual life measurably worse, not better
• The two dimensions of productivity most advice ignores: hours worked is not the same as leverage, and until you separate them, no system will help you
• Why effort is a double-edged sword—it only creates meaningful output when it's aligned with something that actually matters to you, and it actively works against you when it isn't
• How language shapes whether an idea lands—why the same truth needs to be said differently at different moments in a person's life, and why that's not semantics, it's everything
• The question Mark poses before chasing any goal: do you actually want the costs? Not the highlights—the daily friction, the ongoing compromise, the downside of the dream

Three Connection Points

• Mark Manson's website and free twice-weekly newsletter
• The Solved podcast: Mark's long-form, research-heavy series on the ideas people say they've heard before but haven't actually examined
• Learn about Purpose, Mark's AI coaching and personal growth platform

Mark's most useful provocation in this conversation isn't the one with the sharpest edge. It's the quieter one: before you add another goal, another system, another layer of self-improvement, ask yourself whether you actually want to live with what it costs. Not the version of it that works. The version on the hard days. The answer to that question tells you more about whether you're chasing the right thing than any productivity metric ever will.

If this episode resonated, I’m exploring ideas like these more deeply in my upcoming book, Productiveness. You can follow along as it takes shape at mikevardy.com/productiveness.

This episode is brought to you by Your Clockwise Week—a personalized weekly structure built around your actual life, not an ideal one. If your week feels full but not fitting, you can learn more at mikevardy.com/yourclockwiseweek.

In this episode, I'm thinking out loud with you about what I call intentional productivity — not productivity as a set of tips or tricks, but as a philosophy, a way of living. If you've been following my work for a while, you know where this leads. If you're new here, this is as good a place as any to start. It's also my way of setting the table for next week's conversation with Mark Manson, whose work on values and what actually matters in life is more aligned with this than you might expect.

Six Discussion Points

• Busy has always meant anxious or occupied with worry — we've just rebranded it as a virtue, and that rebranding has real costs to the quality of our output and our lives.
• Applying machine-era metrics to human beings is where productivity thinking goes most wrong: machines don't need rest, and they don't need meaning — you do.
• Attention without intention is aimless, and intention without attention is powerless; real productivity is the active link between the two.
• Most systems miss the most important variable: doing the right things at the right time, in the right way, for the right reasons — that last piece is where meaning lives.
• Time crafting, as distinct from time management, implies ongoing creative direction rather than control — you don't stop crafting until your relationship with time is over.
• Three questions that cut through the noise every day: What is the most important thing I could do today? What would make today feel complete — not full, but complete? And what am I doing out of obligation versus intention?

Three Connection Points

• "Why Doing Nothing Might Be the Most Productive Thing You Can Do" (APC652): If rest still feels like a reward you have to earn rather than a part of the system, this episode is the companion piece.
• Stop Managing Time. Start Crafting It: The Medium post that started many readers on the TimeCrafting path — a clear, practical case for why managing time sets you up to fail, and what to do instead.
• The Productivity Diet: The book where I go deeper into horizontal theming, daily themes, and why a framework beats a schedule every time.

Intentional productivity doesn't look impressive from the outside. It's quiet. It compounds. It doesn't post about itself. The person doing deep, meaningful work often looks like they're doing less than the person who's always visibly occupied — and that's precisely the point. The real question isn't how much you got done today. It's whether what you did moved you closer to who you want to be and the life you want to live. That question is uncomfortable. It requires you to actually know what you value. But that's the work — not the app, not the system, not the morning routine. Start there.

If this episode resonated, I’m exploring ideas like these more deeply in my upcoming book, Productiveness. You can follow along as it takes shape at mikevardy.com/productiveness.